I'm sure you're not dumb enough that you cannot answer those things for yourself.

I'm sure you're not dumb enough that you cannot answer those things for yourself.

How could I possibly answer them? They make no friggin' sense to me. I'm asking what *you* mean when you call 'white' an 'ethnicity'. It makes no sense to me, so I'm trying to understand what you mean. Care to elucidate the matter?

I never called 'white' an ethnicity. Perhaps you were just reading what you wanted to read, hmm?

This whole thread is tl;dr

Oh, Darth Darth. I was expecting you to say something like that. But it's all up there in black and white. Shall I summarize it for you and everyone else reading this?

I said:

Two words: Barack Obama.

So, we're talking about Barack Obama. Check.

Jai said:

Two words: half white

So, Jai refers to him as 'half white'. Check.

I said:

Why do you *care* so much about his skin colour? You must be a racist! ;-P

Parodying Jai's craziness earlier in the thread. Check.

You said:

He doesn't care about his skin color, he cares about his ethnicity. Just sayin.

So, you're saying that Jai's comment was *not* in reference to skin colour, but 'ethnicity'. I.e. 'half white' is referring to some sort of 'ethnicity', according to *you*. Check.

I said:

What 'ethnicity' is 'white'? Or 'black' for that matter? And why does he care about this supposed 'ethnicity'?
...
I'm asking what *you* mean when you call 'white' an 'ethnicity'.

Referring to your claim about Jai's comment. Check.

You said:

I never called 'white' an ethnicity.

Jai used the word 'white', in 'half white'. You were the *only* person who brought in the word 'ethnicity', and you used that word in reference to Jai's comment, which was, *in its entirety*: "Two words: half white".

So, Darth Darth Binks referred to 'white', from 'half white' as Barack Obama's 'ethnicity'. Then later denies he made this claim. Check.

I'm still wondering what ethnicity that is, exactly.

Like what the actual fuck.

I agree with Martian but I've only skim read through the plies of shit.

An atheist, a vegan and a bodybuilder walk into a bar.

I only know because they told everyone in sight.

This whole thread is tl;dr

To each their own. I think it's hilarious! Watching all the mental gymnastics they do to try to justify themselves, it never ceases to amaze me to what lengths people will go to try to keep reality out of their belief bubbles. I consider shining a spot light on it a community service, and entertaining, too. Like watching how many clowns can fit into the clown car.

Is there a way of believing in nothing without being an atheist ? Because I think Atheists are just as bad as religious people.

Is there a way of believing in nothing without being an atheist ?

I don't understand the question. I can't think of anybody who literally doesn't believe in anything.

Because I think Atheists are just as bad as religious people.

Not sure what you mean. Not all religious people are bad; not even the majority of them. Neither with atheists. You realize that all it takes to be an atheist is to not believe in any gods, right?

Obviously not all atheists and Christians....but really obnoxious twats who will do anything to ensure the other person feels like crap over which religion they do or don't practise. Such as the Jehovah's Witness' who would insult and intrude on your privacy just to spread the "word of God" like really....are you going to invite yourself in to my house to talk about a religion I don't even practise ? Or atheists who will make people look like dicks by a 4 hour rant about all the stupid things in the bible. Like really bruh ?

To each their own. I think it's hilarious! Watching all the mental gymnastics they do to try to justify themselves, it never ceases to amaze me to what lengths people will go to try to keep reality out of their belief bubbles. I consider shining a spot light on it a community service, and entertaining, too. Like watching how many clowns can fit into the clown car.

Oh, but you are no different from anyone else in that sense. You think I'm going through leaps and bounds trying to justify myself, but you have done the same thing from where I and everyone else is sitting. The fact that you think you are different makes my battle pointless to begin with, because from your point of view anything you don't agree with is wrong and below you. I, however, fully acknowledge that we aren't so different. You and I are in the spotlight together putting on a performance. I enjoy it.

Back on topic,

I said:
What 'ethnicity' is 'white'? Or 'black' for that matter? And why does he care about this supposed 'ethnicity'?
...
I'm asking what *you* mean when you call 'white' an 'ethnicity'.

Before and after, I never called 'white' an ethnicity, and you are still putting words in my mouth, the same thing you and Hitchslap have previously accused me of. 'White' is officially a skin color. 'Black' is officially a skin color. However, the term 'white' has been used for a long time to refer to anyone of purely Caucasian descent. If a person descends fully from a European ethnicity, they are 'white.' 'Black' refers to anyone with African descent, from any African tribe (I say tribe instead of nation because the borders that Europeans drew in are crock shit). Jai does not give a shit about President Obama's skin color when he says "half white." He is saying that, to back up his statement that the Democratic party isn't as diverse as they lead people to believe, President Obama isn't fully black, that is, he isn't even a complete minority. I don't believe that this counter-argument of his makes much sense, as mixed people are considered to be in the minority group anyway.
I recall you saying,

Two words: half white

Why do you *care* so much about his skin colour? You must be a racist! ;-P

Jai only used words to describe skin color to make a point of President Obama's ethnic background. To call him racist for something like this is the same as what Hitchslap is doing. Making assumptions.

Or atheists who will make people look like dicks by a 4 hour rant about all the stupid things in the bible.

I don't see how one (making people look like dicks) comes from the other (ranting about all the stupid things in the bible).

However, the term 'white' has been used for a long time to refer to anyone of purely Caucasian descent.

Ah, so you mean by 'pure descent', the concept of a 'race', then. Am I wrong?

Fuck the police coming straight from the underground. A young nigger got his back to the church.

If a person descends fully from a European ethnicity, they are 'white.'

Even if they have dark skin?

'Black' refers to anyone with African descent, from any African tribe .

Even if they have pale skin?

(You may or may not realize this, but all humans are descendant from a small 'tribe' of H. sapiens, which was native to Africa. So I guess we're all 'black' then, eh? But that's science, and I realize you're talking about the 'popular' definitions of 'black', so, moving on...)

So, by your def'n of 'black' (the 'popular' version), since Barack Obama qualifies as 'anyone with African descent, from any African tribe', then he's 'black', right?

Oh, wait. Maybe you mean only those who are 'purely' descended from African tribes. Am I on the right track? So, you mean 'black' as in a 'race', right? (Again, the 'popular' version of the word 'race', since, scientifically speaking, there are no actual different 'races' of humans.)

Jai only used words to describe skin color to make a point of President Obama's ethnic background.

Still not sure what 'ethnicity' you're referring to here. Nor how a skin colour can refer to an ethnicity, unless you're mixing in the popular concept of 'race'. You might want to look up the word 'ethnicity'.

To call him racist for something like this is the same as what *Jai* is doing. Making assumptions.

Fixed that for you. I refer you back to Jai's first comment in this thread.

Fixed that for you. I refer you back to Jai's first comment in this thread.

No, it was fine the way it was.

Still not sure what 'ethnicity' you're referring to here. Nor how a skin colour can refer to an ethnicity,

Well, I just told you how. You only read what you wanted to read.

So, by your def'n of 'black' (the 'popular' version), since Barack Obama qualifies as 'anyone with African descent, from any African tribe', then he's 'black', right?

Yes. He is black. I was trying to show you what Jai meant; I might even be wrong. I don't agree with his reasoning in this specific case.

Oh, wait. Maybe you mean only those who are 'purely' descended from African tribes. Am I on the right track? So, you mean 'black' as in a 'race', right? (Again, the 'popular' version of the word 'race', since, scientifically speaking, there are no actual different 'races' of humans.)

I do not mean that. I do not mean 'black' as in 'race,' because black isn't a race. Black is a color and an urban term to refer to an individual with any African descent. I already said this...

'Black' refers to anyone with African descent, from any African tribe .
Even if they have pale skin?

Yes.

If a person descends fully from a European ethnicity, they are 'white.'
Even if they have dark skin?

There is no European ethnicity that has particularly dark skin. The darkest I can think of are from the Mediterranean countries, like Italy. In that case, yes.

(You may or may not realize this, but all humans are descendant from a small 'tribe' of H. sapiens, which was native to Africa. So I guess we're all 'black' then, eh? But that's science, and I realize you're talking about the 'popular' definitions of 'black', so, moving on...)

If you're done being a smartass, I'd welcome you to have an actual conversation. Either way, after tens of thousands of years of evolution, I'd say we are not all black and none of us would resemble the first humans enough to fit in with them.

I do not mean that. I do not mean 'black' as in 'race,' because black isn't a race. Black is a color and an urban term to refer to an individual with any African descent.

But 'African descent' is not an ethnicity either. Do you realize how many different ethnicities there are in Africa alone? 'African descent' sounds a lot like 'race' to me, especially when you throw around the word 'purely' in there. So, either way you put it, when Jai refers to 'white' and 'black', even if he's not talking about skin colour but 'descent', it's still referring to 'race', isn't it?

There is no European ethnicity that has particularly dark skin. The darkest I can think of are from the Mediterranean countries, like Italy. In that case, yes.

In fact, human skin colour varies quite a bit and there's lots of areas of overlap in colour between African and European populations. Truly, it has more to do with a sub-population's long-term exposure to the Sun's UV rays, which is significantly affected by geographical latitude and altitude.

Ok, well at least you're consistent so far that 'black' refers to 'African descent'. But if you require that concept of 'pure descent', then that's still essentially 'race'. Ethnicity has far more to do with cultural inheritance, and while some ethnicities include a concept of 'race', they are not the same thing, nor does it legitimize that concept of 'race'. Whether Jai is referring to inherited skin colour or 'African descent', he's still referencing the popular concept of 'race'. Especially if he makes distinctions like 'half white' and 'White-Black'.

And it still doesn't explain your usage of 'ethnicity'. You really need to look that up. There are tons of different ethnicities in both Africa and Europe. Even if 'white' means 'descendant from Europe', that doesn't qualify as an ethnicity. Nor 'black' from Africa.

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Either way, after tens of thousands of years of evolution, I'd say we are not all black and none of us would resemble the first humans enough to fit in with them.

Wait, so it *is* about appearances now? Sheesh, at least keep your story straight, man! ;-P

[BTW, yes, those H. sapiens I'm referring to would resemble us, and us them, to fit in with them very well. They *are* us. I'm not referring to prior species of Homo, but the modern one, i.e. us.]

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