Mexico has oil, drugs, more people, and plenty of natural resources to profit from.
We can just say they were giving nuclear bombs to cartels or some hogwash.
Domination of North America is a great reason.

^ still not answering the other excuse needed.


Anyhow I can not afford to waste anymore time on this thread debating people who I will never convince GD

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Mexico has oil, drugs, more people, and plenty of natural resources to profit from.
We can just say they were giving nuclear bombs to cartels or some hogwash.
Domination of North America is a great reason.

Mexico is the North Korea of North America; in the sense that China would never want to invade North Korea bc they wouldn't want to have to fix the countries problems. Same thing with US-Mexico.

If the US invades any North American country, it should be Canada or the Bahamas.

Nothing suggests that Saudi Arabia was Saddams next target. It was allied to the US, powerful and he had already gotten plenty of wealth from Kuwait. Saddam probably thought the US was on his side too , after the Iran-Iraq war.

Just to add, as information:
probably the worst period at the last 100 years of almost every country in south america were the " US democracy ": military governments (dictatorships) supported by the USA at the cold war that destroyed these countries..
Same happens at middle east today.

Wow you understand history then. You can say that about a majority of political leaders. Xi Jingping? Evil warmonger trying to take control of the South China Sea for China's own political and economic power. Narendra Modi? Evil warmonger trying to increase military spending in order to defeat domestic and international terrorism rooted in Pakistan. Vladimir Putin? Yeah we all know everybody thinks he's Satan incarnate. David Cameron? He supports and supported increased military interventionism in Syria and Libya.

Every world leader has a stake in the Industrial-Military Complex and every major military power is involved in the destruction of other nations. This is how history has always worked. There should be a balance between interventionism and isolationism, and in this point in time I don't think America has any security interest in protecting Ukraine, the Baltics, or the South China Sea. With regards to the Middle East the USA is only responsible for cleaning up Iraq since we broke it, but the Syrian Civil War is not our bone to pick.

That's why no politician nor government should be glorified. Americans, being the majority on this website (and partially of cultural grounds) glorify their government and politicians loads.

If you honestly think America has failed more then we have succeeded then you have never read a world history book, simple.

In 1775, a revolt began over not getting enough representation in the national parliament, and for too much taxes, and in 1783, the Britons revolting got their own independent country, and chose to make it on pretty unique republican and (somewhat) unitarian system, and loads of anarchy (the good kind), too. A few years later, another revolt began, over not getting enough representation in the national parliament and for too many taxes. This was called Shay's Rebellion.

America ideologically corrupted very early on.

So Your basically saying that you don't care the united kingdom owes its existence to us? you would just like to concentrate on nit picking? Hmm well seems fair

Er, what? If anything, it's the other way about.

Yeah we also never saw evidence that Hitler was planning on taking the rest of czech, but he did and even though Chamberlin and his cabinet thought it was a grave possibility, They never took measures to prevent it because there was no official " evidence ". Sometimes when you have a warmonger on the lose, you must think outside the box and consider that maybe, he will continue warmongering and Arabia was a golden goose


Yeah that is a very cheap argument lol for 3 reasons

1: We would not gain a thing from mexico

2: No international excuse because we are not like hitler in the sense that we care about what others think of us

3: No overpowering motive

^ Saddam and Hitler had all these three things to highly suggest they would invade Czech and that Arabia would have been Saddams next target

2. False flag attacks. And America does not care so much what others think - it doesn't have to, it's so powerful.

Mexico is the North Korea of North America; in the sense that China would never want to invade North Korea bc they wouldn't want to have to fix the countries problems. Same thing with US-Mexico.

I thought it was since China didn't want to get Pei'ching blown up by an atomic bomb (mainly, anyway). North Korea is tiny compared to all China, fixing it wouldn't be that hard.

Americans, being the majority on this website (and partially of cultural grounds) glorify their government and politicians loads.

Eh that's a generalization lad. Give me some stats or examples :P

If America leaves then Russia's going to expand its Influence into the Middle East

and how is that bad Mad Jap?

"The only thing America should be doing is propping up benevolent dictators that oppose radical Islam. We have no obligation to "democratize" the Middle East, we have an obligation to our own safety and fueling radical Islam by destabilizing regimes is UNACCEPTABLE AND DANGEROUS."

+1, except for the 'benevolent' part.

American jingoists everywhere! Kill this thread!!

Americans, being the majority on this website (and partially of cultural grounds) glorify their government and politicians loads.

Eh that's a generalization lad. Give me some stats or examples :P

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/warlight.net

As for culture, didn't find any too good polls, but here is something https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/07/14/decline-british-patriotism/

Few if any Americans on this site actually glorify their government or its leaders. Many of us defend our country as a general concept, which somehow gets exaggerated into "Nationalism" (Seriously, many people on this site seem to think that even the most minor defense of one's country is Nationalistic).

Defending your country and defending its government is two different matters.

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There's plenty of "liberals" who love Obama and wil defend his things to the death while being totally blind to his short comings. And then they'll call me a ignorant, flag-waving retardican.

As for culture, didn't find any too good polls, but here is something https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/07/14/decline-british-patriotism/

Maybe you didn't find any good polls because its not true. After decades of being told by the world and the media that the US is a big evil bully and that we should still be whipping ourselves over our history of slavery, not even a majority of Americans are "patriotic" by your own linked poll.

Americans, being the majority on this website (and partially of cultural grounds) glorify their government and politicians loads.

Again you'll be hard pressed to find Americans on WL, "glorifying their government and politicians". This generalization doesn't work. Sorry. Try again next time.

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No, I didn't find any good polls at all, saying they are or aren't relatively patriotic. And don't make me laugh, Americans actually listen to foreigners and the American media says America is a "big evil bully"? It was a majority, actually, and that was just the online population, which discounts 1/9 folk in America (who probably have even less access to foreigners and media). A better poll, just on America: http://www.gallup.com/poll/183911/smaller-majority-extremely-proud-american.aspx. 54% are extremely patriotic.

Again you'll be hard pressed to find Americans on WL, "glorifying their government and politicians". This generalization doesn't work. Sorry. Try again next time.

You, GeneralPE, Varys, Conservative, Castle Bravo, and even MGSB before he came on Warlight all think of America as this country who tries to free folk, deal justice, be the world police, spread democracy, all the things. You may find criticisms, but you'll say that was just a "mistake" and that America tried to do the right thing. So much for being hard-pressed.

http://www.turningpointusa.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/10-Ways-America-is-the-Greatest-Country.pdf

The Conservative probably agrees with this 100%.

Sorry but America just has shitty pull out game.

Joke aside

We should help them with IS and other rebellion. We should also help them build army and militia.

I am not even going to watch that video but I am assuming its some far right extreme view of America to which you are tying me to because you think it makes your point but let me be perfectly clear....


America has done many evil things to which there is no excuse such as Indian removal, Racism, slavery, Sexism and violating human rights over seas in wars. But I am also a realist, who looks at the big picture and what each nation has accomplished and how it has affected the Nations around them. I have never said America was perfect, i have never said she was always just. But you wanna know why American propaganda in general was some of the most effective patriotic brain washing ever accomplished? Its because the best propaganda is the one with truth mixed in it. It was so effective in short because, we were the good guys. It was effective because even though there were lies and cover ups in wars era where American propaganda ran wild, It worked because it appealed to the heart mind of America. On those posters and movies when people looked at them at called out to them and pleaded with the natural justice system in there hearts and minds and it repeated the philosophy that America holds most dear...Freedom.



Now, of course once leaders had the support of the people, they took advantage of it like with Iraq and Vietnam but my main point is, Most Americans are born with a natural sense of fairness installed them that can be compared to none else. And I am not saying other countries aren't as great as us because in general most people are born with a sense of right and wrong anyway but whats different with America is that the meaning is deeper, its more real which is why we get involved more then others in world affairs ( That and the fact our political system is extremely full of oil lobbyists ). In conclusion, America done evil which I am ashamed and will always anger me but once America dies out and some other superpower takes up the rains of number 1, We will not be remembered for what we did wrong, I assure you we will be remembered for what we did right. Its natural, once you hear the word " British Empire " People don't think about slavery, Wars, Corruption. They see the steam engine, they see Britain leading the way to north America, They hear funny British accents. Now of course what Britain has done wrong will never be forgotten, just not in front of mind. And if you do see the evil in empires and people constantly, never acknowledging the good they have done, well then I feel sorry for you, because you are missing out on a lot.


In Conclusion, America is a corrupt nation on a path to destruction, but we will always be number 1 on the nations list that spread freedom.....and corruption

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I am not even going to watch that video but I am assuming its some far right extreme view of America to which you are tying me to because you think it makes your point but let me be perfectly clear....

It's a .pdf, but you mostly are right.

America has done many evil things to which there is no excuse such as Indian removal, Racism, slavery, Sexism and violating human rights over seas in wars.

has done and is doing* Also, Indians live in India.

But you wanna know why American propaganda in general was some of the most effective patriotic brain washing ever accomplished? Its because the best propaganda is the one with truth mixed in it. It was so effective in short because, we were the good guys. It was effective because even though there were lies and cover ups in wars era where American propaganda ran wild, It worked because it appealed to the heart mind of America. On those posters and movies when people looked at them at called out to them and pleaded with the natural justice system in there hearts and minds and it repeated the philosophy that America holds most dear...Freedom.

So what you're saying is America's propoganda was so effective since America was/is such a great country? And the message that America holds most dear, that was just probably made up and revived from the 1700s when America went to go bomb somebody, something like that.

Most Americans are born with a natural sense of fairness installed them that can be compared to none else.

You know how centrist that is? Extremely so. What if I said every Kazakh was born with a natural sense of awesomeness, greatness, coolness, that makes everyone else look like poop?

And I am not saying other countries aren't as great as us because in general most people are born with a sense of right and wrong anyway but whats different with America is that the meaning is deeper, its more real which is why we get involved more then others in world affairs ( That and the fact our political system is extremely full of oil lobbyists ).

This is just precisely part of the propoganda - even if folk disagree with something, they don't want them to realise the government is evil, they just will say "that was a mistake, we tried to do the right thing".

In conclusion, America done evil which I am ashamed and will always anger me but once America dies out and some other superpower takes up the rains of number 1, We will not be remembered for what we did wrong, I assure you we will be remembered for what we did right.

That's a bold assumption. No country does right or wrong, they do pragmatic. And the past is taught it based on how the government wants it taught, in a good way or bad.

Its natural, once you hear the word " British Empire " People don't think about slavery, Wars, Corruption.

When I hear the word British Empire, I think genocide/settler cruelty, boring crowded houses, and pretensions society. This is just what I see when I hear British Empire, I certainly don't think leading the way to North America (they were not the first...), and the steam engine (a Spanish invention).

And if you do see the evil in empires and people constantly, never acknowledging the good they have done, well then I feel sorry for you, because you are missing out on a lot.

I see good in folk, but very rarely in governments.

I won't bother to reply to all of those but I am certainly glad Nome of them had any personal attacks on my intelligence :) in conclusion, I think many people here mistake patriotism for stupidity. So with a final quote I shall some up my beliefs on that


" Patriotism is not ignoring the evils of your nation and making excuses for the government. It's about acknowledging those mistakes and pointing out the evils and some how coming out of it all still believing the best in your country and her people " - C. M. Mills

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