Yes, I have ESP. Your argument is invalid.

(but seriously, very last warning about the hostility)

I disagree with almost all patriotism's magnitudes.

(but seriously, very last warning about the hostility)

Oooo wowwwww you got me scared kid...let me go hide in my nuclear bunker.

Of course you couldn't answer the question on how you know that people who advocate isolationism or non-interventionism are still high on "patriotism". Let me know if you ever come up with a logical argument.

You know, why don't you go back to the 1700s, when your kind of dumbness war the majority - you'd fit much better with like folk who don't read - although you can read, you can't understand a thing you read. The snarkiness might not go so well, though - be careful not to get hanged when even folk like you get tired of you.

I don't understand how lacking a brain you must to understand, I criticise all patriotism levels, and patriotism and non-interventionism are most likely negatively corelated, but that doesn't matter, they're still patriotic. Centrism and supremacism are signs of patriotism, but more directly, praising the country and its past. From those who think that George Washington was Jesus in a wig to those who think that America is trying to do its best to spread freedom to other countries who need it.

You need serious help my friend.

You know, why don't you go back to the 1700s, when your kind of dumbness war the majority

Yes..."war the majority". Tell me again how dumb I am?

you'd fit much better with like folk who don't read

"with like folk"

I don't know if I am speaking to a grown adult or a 15 year old girl who doesn't know how to speak.

Ah its so sad when people can't find a logical argument with statistics or fact to fit their ideology or biases. Yes yes your are making 0% sense!!

patriotism and non-interventionism are most likely negatively corelated.

Thank you for conceding the point. Try again next time with ad hominem attacks. No one called George Washington Jesus. And no one (at least not me) said that America should spread freedom to other countries who need it.

You need serious help my friend.

Don't kid yourself, get off your high horse and get back into the muck where you came from.

Yes..."war the majority". Tell me again how dumb I am?

You know, I probably meant "was" the first time, but now it's fitting - you're so dumb, you hate somewhat dumb folk, too.

"with like folk"

No thing wrong in this phrase I see. with = accompanied by (another person or thing); like = (of a person or thing) having similar qualities or characteristics to another person or thing; folk = people in general. Accompanied by folk having similar characteristics to you.

I don't know if I am speaking to a grown adult or a 15 year old girl who doesn't know how to speak.

First, tell me why a normal 15-year old girl is inable to speak, second, сіз қазақша сөйлейсіз бе?

I'll tell you what I don't know, your age. But I can make a pretty good guess based on your brains: permanently unable to learn anything so doesn't matter.

Ah its so sad when people can't find a logical argument with statistics or fact to fit their ideology or biases. Yes yes your are making 0% sense!!

Y'know, this is awfully hypocritic. You point out a typo, but I can see so many here. Ah , it ' s so sad when people can't find a logical argument with statistics or fact to fit their ideology or biases. Yes , yes , you're making 0% sense !

Now, first bit, "it's so sad". Who are you kidding, you're not sad. You're beginning to sound like Angry Koala, which is only good if you like to be bad.
"people can't find a logical argument with statistics or fact to fit their ideology or biases." - when I gave you stats on warlight.net visitors, you ignored it. patriotism in 9 different countries, you basically said, ha, no, that's wrong. Less than half of Americans are patriotic. Then I showed you a Gallup poll just on America showing that 54% Americans think of themselves as "very patriotic". You must have ignored that, too. Now, I await your logic argument (what was it, again?), and your (ghost) stats.

Also, I'm not going to get proof that these folk that I aforesaid all are patriotic - I learned by talking and listening to them, and getting evidence for that would be painstaking, especially for the ones that are no longer so patriotic.

Thank you for conceding the point. Try again next time with ad hominem attacks. No one called George Washington Jesus. And no one (at least not me) said that America should spread freedom to other countries who need it.

Conceding the point? Wow, your twin or something must have been reading for you, while you typed. Or you're just very stupid. That was the point all along - there was no positive correlation with that, I criticised them on their l(ower level of) patriotism, not on them going for a non-warmongering policy. And for the record, you are the one who began attacks, not me, so why don't you try, with your fancy Latin, stop attacking? Maybe strengthen your weak defences? And I am not literally meaning George Washington was Jesus in a wig, it is called a metaphor.

Juq no one cares about your essays. The argument is over. You failed to make a good case and you basically lied in attacking me.


Enjoy your life.

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If you think this is un essai, you've seen naught. You're just copping out. If you don't care about arguing your point, you can forfeit the argument, I didn't expect much anybody else expect you to care to defend whatever brains you have. You probably have no idea whether I make a good case or not, since you don't seem to have read it, and I warned you, didn't I, about being snarky, quite a few times. Closed-minded bigots like you don't concede points though, they make some insult up and then leave. Well, thank you for teaching me something, one thing.

You're an idiot and you're shouting into an echo chamber. Nobody has enough time in their life to deal with you. Please don't call me a bigot for having a different opinion than you. No one else cared about your post except me and even I don't care. I won't concede anything because there's nothing to concede since you didn't make an argument. Good luck with your clan and have fun being an ass to other people on OT forum.

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Jai, face it. You lost. I'm sorry, but Xpapy won this argument. Don't be rude to him, he's a nice guy.

What argument? You do know what he was trying to prove right? That people who promote non-interventionism are highly patriotic and therefore must be hated/ridiculed/attacked. It makes no sense. You can't attack people for being interventionist while at the same time saying they shouldn't be non-interventionist. Then he said that Americans on WL are highly nationalistic. Again he failed to prove that since its a generalization with no evidence or examples. Its not an argument. He just made generalizations and got pissed when I pointed them out.

You're an idiot and you're shouting into an echo chamber. Nobody has enough time in their life to deal with you.

Besides that unsupported insult, I bet you'll be surprised what not being hostile will get you. Many have time to deal with me. Even Conservative, who is obviously very patriotic, when I talked bad about America, he kept being nice and polite. Also, I'm obviously not going to let you the last reply when it's awfully insulting.

Please don't call me a bigot for having a different opinion than you.

That's what all bigots say. But I'm calling you a bigot since you 1: looked at one of my stat, then said, ha, that's wrong, without really any evidence, and 2: you're leaving in the middle of an argument without even saying "We'll have to have an opinion difference", just saying that I'm wrong.

No one else cared about your post except me and even I don't care.

First, that's a paradox. Second, this wasn't for anyone except you. Third, that's fine if you do, but don't leave the argument saying that you lost the argument. Leaving the argument usually means forfeiting the argument.

I won't concede anything because there's nothing to concede since you didn't make an argument.

How would you know if there was or wasn't anything to concede? You didn't read the post where I last answered your actual arguments. But let me tell you, since you seem to be as lost as a brick. The original point I made is that Americans on Warlight, being so numerous, and partially since culture, glorify their country the most out of any nationality, and so get the most hate for being patriotic.

Good luck with your clan and have fun being an ass to other people on OT forum.

Stop being pretentious, you don't wish me good luck at all.

What argument? You do know what he was trying to prove right? That people who promote non-interventionism are highly patriotic and therefore must be hated/ridiculed/attacked.

That was the point all along - there was no positive correlation with that, I criticised them on their l(ower level of) patriotism, not on them going for a non-warmongering policy.

Then he said that Americans on WL are highly nationalistic. Again he failed to prove that since its a generalization with no evidence or examples. Its not an argument. He just made generalizations and got pissed when I pointed them out.

The most I said is that they are relatively more patriotic than other nationalities, and I showed you a contrast stacked bar graph, which you basically shrugged off, and then I showed you a Gallup study, which you again shrugged off, and then I said that I wasn't going to actually show examples of how all the folk on my list were patriotic, as that would be too tedious.

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That's not what bigot means X.

Bigot means anyone who is closed-minded, or as Oxford says, "intolerant to other opinions".

Yep yep. Sounds like you juq.

Back your claim up. Get me some of those stats or logic arguments so I know what they look like and can use them in the future.

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I'm sorry...... But did The Conservative say that the French wasn't beneficial in the Revolutionary war ? Pfttttt what a lie.

Jai, please stop, go calm down, have a glass of water, and stop embarrassing yourself.-

The way I see it, we're in a tricky position.


Although it is important to bring troops back (saves lives and money), it's also necessary to make sure terror groups don't reach the point where they are now: well-armed, equipped, striking across the globe, have infrastructure...
Yes, Israel is an ally of the US. Probably due to its very western influence in a region surrounded by more, "conservative" nations. And I think Israel's a good ally (I'm also a Jew, so keeping Israel alive is good in my book. My stance on the 2-state solution is another story.).
But a major reason we're there is because of oil, like Wolf said. And like Wolf, it will be a long road to alternative fuel, but one I hope we can see the result of.
Should we still keep an eye in case a group similar to ISIS or the Taliban rises up? Yes.
Should we always keep ground troops there all the time? No.
Should we still be an ally of Israel? Yes.
Should we help rebels? Possibly.
Overall, I think US presence is needed, but I don't think that sending troops there all the time is the best idea.

But I do want the US and Russia to work together to defeat ISIS. Finally give the two superpowers a thing to agree on.

But Russia is just backing their own interests by supporting Assad.