Let's use the NRA arguement here. Governments don't kill people. People kill people.

And if we're gonna pull a bunch of death stats that include the hole history of mankind, more people died from deceases then government since it was created. I'm pretty sure it's also the case for malnutrition and poor alimentation habits.


Government isn't bad if there's oversight on it. How many people did the government of Denmark kill last year? What about Sweden's or Switzerland's? Government is as bad as the people that manage it.

Sweden used eugenics on the Sampi to try and ethnically cleanse them, and they're not even that strong. If a nation is weak, it has a harder time limiting freedoms and killing people. Government is a organization that can do on it's own. Guns are inanimate objects. For example, a gun cannot use a government to kill since it cannot act. However a government can use guns to mass murder.

Didn't we say that we should avoid using all those past events? No nation has never made atrocious and shameful things in the past. The US also tried to ethnically cleanse native americans. Blaming this on actual americans and it's government is futile.

Are you effing kidding me? You want to forget the genocides against the native Americans, completely disregard history and put our faith in something that only looks good when you ignore history? We should forget all science and mathematics too, that's old stuff. Let's put our full faith in government, why, I'll join the army right now!

And if we're gonna pull a bunch of death stats that include the hole history of mankind, more people died from deceases then government since it was created. I'm pretty sure it's also the case for malnutrition and poor alimentation habits.

We all agree that those are bad (natural too, I said unnatural causes). So why can't we also agree another mass killer is bad?

Government isn't bad if there's oversight on it. How many people did the government of Denmark kill last year? What about Sweden's or Switzerland's? Government is as bad as the people that manage it.

The government is the oversight. In the last 10 years, even these small countries, being part of NATO, of course help NATO do its wreckings. Sweden and Switzerland for a while had atomic bomb projects. Danmark and Switzerland still have disgusting antigeneven military drafts. As NATO puppets, they're as bad as Barack Obama, but they don't have to be in the NATO. The point is, even the little countries will be mad. Less government = better government, 99% time.

Major, I never said we should forget the past, did I say that? Stop inventing things I never said. Forgeting the history is the first step to repeat it. What I said is that you can't blame the actual government and population for the mistakes of the past.

Furthermore, this is quite hypocrite to say this, as Americans aren't better in this matter, since people like Trump would not tolerate any Muslim, not even tourists, blocking 1,7 billion people just because of their faith, do you think this would respect International Law?

Except I am in support of admitting refugees, do not whitewash American atrocities and am anti-nationalist. Now what are you? A vehement European Nationalist and big government supporter. You are the typical nationalist, regardless of how much you try to paint me as one.

Didn't we say that we should avoid using all those past events? No nation has never made atrocious and shameful things in the past. The US also tried to ethnically cleanse native americans. Blaming this on actual americans and it's government is futile.

You just did say that.

And yes, we can blame it on governments. They have not changed, just gotten bigger and are just as horrifically murderous. Ignoring a trend like that, and simply crying foul when someone refuses to hand over their life without a fight is treasonous to humanity.

For anyone arguing the US needs more guns, please note that 75% of shootings in the US are accidental(75%) with that I'm out I wasted to much time today.

591 accidental shooting deaths in 2011. 8,000 shooting deaths in 2011.