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Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 09:55:12

Pulsey
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Of course, but it's not nearly as ironic for a person styling himself a 'liberal' to be so unliberal to other people's opinions.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 10:44:56


Skapis9999
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No... 1 million times no.... i would prefer to live in jungles free!! i would prefer to have no electricity, no energy, no education, no goverment... When 97 % of the people in former colonies lives under povertt limit you cannot say that Africa was benefited from colonialism.. Visit Belgium... Go to a hotel, a reastaurant, a mini market, constructions... lower places belong to people from Belgian Congo, Pakistan and Turkey.. Phillipines are active as well... No country can be ever benefited by dictators!!! ever never!!! It is quite easy to say these words in a hot room in western europe or northern america!! Visit, eastern europe, africa, asia and south africa where it is normal to get 1 US dollar per day!! IF you believe that capitalism saved that countries you are confused.. Burghina FAso produces huge countities of cotton.. IMF and USA get them sell it cheap.. so they starve... Visit PAkistan... almost 1/5 of your products are produced there!! Why?? Because British imperialists went there!!
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 10:57:30

Welsh Knight
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yeah,
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 12:43:09

Welsh Knight
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the past is the past; resperarations!

Edited 4/12/2016 12:43:38
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 12:51:34

Welsh Knight
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reaparations, I want em!
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 15:05:49


GeneralPE
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Oh wow, Time found a guy who mourns colonialism and you assume that is the general opinion?

I don't think it is the general opinion. I was wondering your view, not the view of Africans.

This goes for both sides I suppose.

I haven't seen any right-wingers shutting down conversation in this thread.

@Teamguns
How is it stupid to wonder if colonialism is better than abject poverty?

Edited 4/12/2016 15:09:24
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 15:34:45


Tchaikovsky Reborn
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For Africa, no. For India, yes.

A lot of the political instability in Africa was caused by the rapid evacuation of the colonizers from the continent.

A lot of the educated people, officials, or bureaucrats, were not from Africa. And the Africans were generally the labor used to work the land.

This left behind a lot of chaos when they became independent, which was soon filled by dictators.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 15:56:28


TeamGuns
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@Pulsey

I'm everything but intolerant, I'll quote voltaire here: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

But even though I defend his right to say these stupidities, I won't get away my right to say what I think, but again, that's how liberty works huh? Or is it just liberty when someone starts defecating by the mouth (Trump) and it's authoritarianism when someone disagrees with that person in one meeting?

It appears that we see liberty differently.


How is it stupid to wonder if colonialism is better than abject poverty?


This thought started more then one war. Liberty will always be superior to order in all cases, plus no colonial power really helped the colonies to become richer, it was the other way arround. But again, that's the raw definition of what a colony is.

Edited 4/12/2016 15:59:22
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 16:03:25


GeneralPE
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Liberty will always be superior to order in all cases

I am assuming order involves wealth. That is fair. But if you actually believed it, how do you say colonialism is bad because freedom is better than money, but then say dependence-causing welfare is a good thing? Even if it does help with poverty, it should still be bad, by that logic.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 16:04:51


Ox
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@Pulsey He was simply posting his opinion. Just because he has a different political viewpoint from GeneralPE doesn't mean he has any less right to comment on what he thinks is stupid or not.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 18:32:01


Skapis9999
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If we were in a diplo a would make GeneralPE a PE!! Come racist fascist filthy guy... you know that people are starving because of colonialism....
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 18:42:10


Angry Frog
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Africa is filled with heathens that need ruling with an iron fist.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 19:00:06

Welsh Knight
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agree,
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 19:38:47


Skapis9999
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Africa is filled with heathens that need ruling with an iron fist.


USA needs an iron fist as well but we do not tell it..
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 19:46:36


Angry Frog
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Lucky for me I'm not American.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 20:15:23


Major General Smedley Butler
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Greece is filled with infidels, they must be ruled by the sultan for the good of them.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/12/2016 20:19:44


Angry Frog
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Of course ! ^ Olives and Debt.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/13/2016 10:45:34


Skapis9999
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lol @ Major General Smedley Butler you cannot understand wht is happening in Greece... Nobody can... Greeks are stranger than any other nation....
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/13/2016 11:04:07


Angry Koala
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^ Wrong, Basques are even more bizarre than the Greeks, see the word itself "bizarre" etymologically comes from our language.
Was colonialism better for Africa?: 4/13/2016 11:29:11


Ox
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Was colonialism better for Africa?

Lol hell no it wasn't. Why such a misleading title?

So, do you think colonialism is preferable to the current situation? I am inclined to say so. If we could have colonialism with moderate human rights, I am sure it would be better than the AIDS/Ebola infested, mud-drinking hell-hole Africa is now. What about you?

Now the actual question instead of just the clickbait. I am not positive that many countries would WANT to help out Africa that much. It could so easily lead to more exploitation of the native people and resources. Just because countries are colonising again doesn't mean that AIDS and Ebola will suddenly disappear... They would've happened regardless. Also, who gets what? There will be squabbles / fights over that. It's waaay too risky to consider imo.
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