Yeah, but he hasn't actually done abhorrent things, like , you know, Clinton, Obama and Bush. He hasn't been the source of this world's problems in the way the establishment of the US government had been, and isn't nearly the same threat as they are.

Ox, your morals are questionable when you support Clinton/Obama. The ideology they perpetuate is quite possibly the most dangerous one facing the world now, and while Trump's isn't much better, that doesn't justify supporting Clinton.

The past means nothing, why do folk keep bringing it up? When folk are president, they're different. Its truth is, though, that Trump lies (or is wrong) loads more than Clinton and Sanders, and he plans on making America far more authoritarian and hazardous than what those two want at all.

And Ox does not support Obama's or Clinton's wars. You've no reason at all to believe that Donald Trump would for some grounds be better as a politician than they were, especially when he says things like "Islam hates us", or that China invented the global warming hoax to weaken America's industry. I mean, you can believe, as a scientist, based on what's been seen, that mankind does not make global warming much worse - but no environmentalist or anyone who knows what they're talking about full-out denies global warming.

Clinton is falsely bold, but most of the things she says are more or less true. While Sanders, the worst he's done is said a few things that are in the ballpark of rightness, such as "Whites don't know what it's like to be poor." (as they are a wealthier demograph), or that "not one Republican has the guts" to admit climate change (there are many, that's a bit unfair).

It seems Trump is good at the oneliners but speaks rather with repetition and doesn't go into the details. And finally, a wall wouldn't fix immigration and your gouverment budget.

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The past means nothing, why do folk keep bringing it up? When folk are president, they're different

Ok, I'll assume that the person who supported nearly every intervention in modern American history and started several interventions recently won't do so again as president. Also, I guess Lukashenko is going to let elections not be rigged soon.

And Ox does not support Obama's or Clinton's wars.

He supports Obama and Clinton. You don't get to pick and choose when supporting a leader, you just get that leader, and that leader's choices have very big effects.

You've no reason at all to believe that Donald Trump would for some grounds be better as a politician than they were,

I'm not saying he would be better, I'm saying that Clinton is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, and she shouldn't be president.

Clinton is falsely bold, but most of the things she says are more or less true

She's under investigation by the FBI. To be fair though, the FBI is the American version of the KGB, so it might be a directed political attack based on little evidence, though that's a little far-fetched.

Ok, I'll assume that the person who supported nearly every intervention in modern American history and started several interventions recently won't do so again as president. Also, I guess Lukashenko is going to let elections not be rigged soon.

He supports Obama and Clinton. You don't get to pick and choose when supporting a leader, you just get that leader, and that leader's choices have very big effects.

I'm not saying he would be better, I'm saying that Clinton is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, and she shouldn't be president.

He's Scottish, and out of all the folk he can pick to support, he picks Obama and Sanders more than Clinton, and I really doubt that he will say that he does support them anyway.

The truth of the matter is, Trump says he's going to raise military spending and upscale the Mashriq War and the human rights abuses as official policy, while Clinton had said this to lesser amount (except for the human rights abuses).

She shouldn't be president, but the vote shouldn't be rigged. But these are fantasies.

She's under investigation by the FBI. To be fair though, the FBI is the American version of the KGB, so it might be a directed political attack based on little evidence, though that's a little far-fetched.

Under investigation for a small felony.

She put high up intel on a easy to access server, that's not a small felony.

And X, with politicians lying so much, shouldn't actions be the primary thing that we judge them on?

shouldn't actions be the primary thing that we judge them on?

By that measure, Trump is unmeasurable.

She put high up intel on a easy to access server, that's not a small felony.

Wait, so if Clinton does this, she's evil, but if Snowden does it, he's a hero and true patriot?

No, Snowden actually exposed bad stuff. Clinton put stuff concerning things that could be passwords for nuclear plants to nuclear launch codes, she didn't expose anything bad, she just didn't protect things that should be protected.

^ +1

I'm on the laugh train. Happens at least once a week. I just stop and think, Donald Trump is going to be the Republican nominee. And start laughing out loud. Not a candidate, the nominee. Forever, his name will be on that short list. Fucking hilarious.

If he had any chance of winning the general election, I'd be scared. But he doesn't. So it's just really, really funny.

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So you're ready for Hillary, that enabler of a glorified rapist whose only selling point is her old and musty vagina.

Oh I'm so sorry, I shouldn't speak ill of madam secretary, that makes me a sexist pig.

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I'm also laughing that Hillary Rodham Clinton, a person who has defended multiple rapists, has the nerve to talk about women's rights.

She was also wearing a 7000-12000$ jacket at a speech about wealth inequality.

It's time the person that bombs children has a vagina. This is obviously the most progressive thing we can do at this point, and if you disagree, you're a sexist.

Men in this thread are going so off reservation.

That's what all the Bern victims and Trumptards say. Instead of defending their candidate, they start attacking Hillary Clinton. Doesn't matter if he was running against Justin Bieber and a moldy stick of gum, he's a joke. You can attack Bieber and the gum when they are the topic of discussion, right now the topic is what a joke Donald Trump is.

Trump is awful, and so is Sanders, but Clinton is awful too. They're all arbiters of American leftist ideology, but which ever wins, the leftist ideology will stay in a state of constant war, failing economic plans and the enslavement of folk over non-crimes. That's not to mention that it's likely that few to no problems will be solved by these presidents, or their flavor of leftist American ideology left by them.

failing economic plans

lol

what exactly is failing?

'teh nationalz debtz'

that's not an example of something failing. economy is strong. dollar is strong. predictions about some coming apocalypse need to happen first for you to declare failure.

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Considering the federal reserve is the group with the most blame for the 2008 crisis, I do think that they have failing economic plans, because they failed eight years ago. Ben Bernanke even admitted that they're the reason that the Great Depression happened and wa prolonged by so much.

I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You’re right, we did it. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again.

And then they did it again. So tell me, is that not a failing economic plan? That they failed at something once, failed at it twice, and still haven't changed their behavior, is that not a failing economic plan?

allah is a loser.

Notice I didn't put the name in uppercase.

@Wally Balls

When he talks about a weak economy, might it be based on the fact that the latest jobs report was abysmal, coupled with the fact that more people than ever have given up on searching for work? Or do you follow the Obama economic plan of touting the low unemployment rate while neglecting to mention that it is only at that point due to the number of working age people who no longer seek work?

Allah is kinda mental if he doesn't like usury, I guess he's jealous that the Jews (APES!!!!) are richer than the far superior Muslims.

Edited 6/12/2016 00:38:47

Our jobs report was 'abysmal' like Kate Upton has 'abysmal' tits because they are D's and not DD's.



Move to Mexico or Somalia or something and then tell me how 'abysmal' our economy is.