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Morality has no place in politics: 7/18/2016 09:13:46


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Morality has no place in politics: 7/18/2016 12:12:08


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I disagree. Fascism is a moral movement itself, so is the very concept of ethnic nationalism, communism, socialism, national socialism, Islamism etc. In essence the only amoral political movement is probably those that only care about economics and absolute monarchism when the monarch is not consistent in his/her moral policy (that means, Crusader kings etc need to be excluded).

Edited 7/18/2016 12:14:25
Morality has no place in politics: 7/18/2016 12:26:19


Paugers
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^
*Claps*
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 15:06:36


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''Fascism is a moral movement itself''

No it isn't.

Morality shouldn't influence policy. You missed my point entirely.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 15:14:38


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^You probably should have phrased it as religious morals instead.

I believe fascism is a moral movement since prominent fascists such as Benito Mussolini did morally believe in things such as the state should control everything. Nazism was and is a moral movement since it believes in the supremacy and welfare of the German people (Nazism is in some sense socialism for one ethnicity).

The only form of politics I consider amoral is politics that does

Edited 7/21/2016 15:17:37
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 15:23:17


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You're wrong, the Nazis didn't have a moral basis for their policies. They had a practical basis for them. They weren't trying to help everyone all around the world because X reason.

Also re-read the topic, you may be illiterate but I said ''HAS NO PLACE'', I didn't say ''DOESN'T EXIST WITHIN''. Your misunderstanding has derailed the thread.

Edited 7/21/2016 15:27:49
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 16:00:32


Eklipse {TJC}
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This thread was derailed the moment it came into existance.

P.S:Nihilism is the worst philosophy.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 16:03:05


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I'm not a nihilist you imbecile.

You failed to make an argument for policy being shaped by morality. You never make arguments, you always throw around insults like ''nazi'' ''sjw'' ''nihilist''.

Edited 7/21/2016 16:08:36
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 17:20:59


Major General Smedley Butler
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The Nazis were not practical at all. Their policies were entirely motivated by their morality.

(Note, morality as in their set of morals, not as in they were good or anything.)

Edited 7/21/2016 17:21:38
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 17:25:57


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no citation.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 17:44:52


Major General Smedley Butler
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no citation

You don't accept citations, so why should I give one?

Come up with how invading a ally that's much larger and stronger than you is practical and not ideological and morality fueled, and you get to have your non-troll badge.

Edited 7/21/2016 17:49:24
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 18:11:54


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ad hominem, the USSR was planning on invading Germany.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 18:55:48


Major General Smedley Butler
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ad hominem, the USSR was planning on invading Germany.

Not ad hominem, the USSR was building a defensive line and moving resources west, not preparing for an invasion, because if they were they would have started mobilization earlier and wouldn't have been aiding the Germans so heavily with resources.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 19:04:33


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>defensive line
lol tanks and bombers are defensive. You're deluding yourself. I recommend you read ''the chief culprit''.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 19:12:00


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"Morality has no place in politics" = "There are no rules in war"
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 19:12:51


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Thats correct. There are no rules in war.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 19:13:25


Major General Smedley Butler
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Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 19:17:24


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>trying to justify having more planes than all your neighbors combined

lol okay RIDF
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 19:32:29


Major General Smedley Butler
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If you have more landmass than all of your neighbors combined, then you obviously need more planes to be able to maintain on multiple fronts.

>tries to justify a full invasion of the Soviet Union by saying it's their fault because they had a military

K Kraut
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 20:50:27


Trumps Wall
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you have has no place in politics
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 21:22:21

[FEL]Chatul
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Yeah BF, Hitler was certainly a moralist, just not the kind of moralist other people are. Nazis insisted on not letting women work in factories which reduced their production, insisted on not supporting Russians and Ukrainians opposed to Communism and believed in the wild dream that he could somehow reduce Russians to serfs when Russia was so large, etc.

Edited 7/21/2016 21:22:37
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 21:38:29


Devshaan
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Actually there are rules in Warfare, the Geneva Convention outlined them.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 22:01:40


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Chatul derailing even further
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 22:03:11


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Again Major derailing the thread and ignoring evidence that the soviets were going to invade all of western europe.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 23:05:27


Major General Smedley Butler
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There is no evidence. You're trying to say that because the Soviet Union had tanks, and a large airforce, they were going to invade Europe, which is bullshit. You already showed ignorance by thinking that tanks had no role in defensive warfare, disregarding that forces employing combined arms regardless of being on the offense or defense, and you thought that the Soviet Union having a very large Air Force would be them being guilty of trying to invade Europe, even though they're a very large country and they'd need to contend with other militaries ,in the air, in case of invasion and attack, at a moments notice.

If the Soviets were planning to invade, why wouldn't they have moved the majority of their forces from Mongolia and the Far East to Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania to aid with that invasion? Why would they supply the Germans with so many raw materials needed for their war effort? Why wouldn't they try to keep the Franco-Soviet pact going?
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 23:08:37


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you've made no citation that refutes the book. You've only made character attacks.
Morality has no place in politics: 7/21/2016 23:18:54


Major General Smedley Butler
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So you can't actually argue the book's points? Also, you don't accept citations. I cited that other book, and you whined about how it's "not a proper citation" even though it matches the definition perfectly.

Though if you're too dumb to argue the points yourself, I'll show more than a few folk who disagree with Suvorov.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Gorodetsky

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Glantz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhmut_Gareev
Morality has no place in politics: 7/22/2016 00:14:29


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>people are citations

lol
Morality has no place in politics: 7/22/2016 00:32:03


Anglo
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Tabby I didn't understand your post. Women worked in factories... So?
Morality has no place in politics: 7/22/2016 00:48:05


Major General Smedley Butler
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>people are citations

You don't accept citations, we've been over this.
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