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An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 21:43:11


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And what about religious discrimination and demolishing thousands of worshipping places ir in some places where they abolished it completely?

Also, sucks to be a farmer in the USSR especially in the Volga region when you risk getting deportated
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 21:52:32


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+1 Everything OP said. Well articulated thoughts.
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 21:53:38


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Soviet past did not involve genocide of millions and had way less discrimination against ethnicities (that's what they tried to end) than most every other country at the time.

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An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 21:58:53


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yet mass deportations of Germans,Poles,Tartarians,Ukranians and putting new ethnicities in new territories is not against discrimination at all.


I don't deny that Stalinist Soviet rule liked "collective punishment", by policy, lying about a crime that you did, and then later found it that you did lie and did the crime often meant killings of the whole core family, hanging on what the crime was.

But was it better than what other big countries were doing? Actual genocide of the last indigenous Americans, and later on, forced assimilation, seperation of families, castrations almost to the 1970s? The Mau Mau rebellion, in which Barack Obama's own grandfather was gruesomely killed and torture was systemic? Or in French empire, where Africans were « sujets, pas citoyens » and had no shielding of the law?

And what about religious discrimination and demolishing thousands of worshipping places ir in some places where they abolished it completely?


Islaam was much more allowed in the Soviet rule than the Tsar rule. Laws in Muslim majority lands were often put to Islaamic religous law. As for Christianity, yes this was worse under the Soviet Band, since it was stripped of any strength and privileges they had before, and actively discouraged it. As for Judaism - now folk weren't thought so much of a plague as before and could actually move and be shielded by the law and not have pogromy on them.

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An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 22:06:26


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your words sounded very convenient until..

The Mau Mau rebellion, in which Barack Obama's own grandfather was gruesomely killed and torture was systemic?


Yeah
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 22:14:23


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/deadlineusa/2008/dec/03/obama-grandfather-maumau-torture

Just look it up, you'll find way more than just this. And documents about it are to this day still being withheld by the British government. Awful.

http://gorod.tomsk.ru/2007/jul/anti_usa21.jpg

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An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 22:43:57


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Aight you might have an actual point on that but telling us that the soviet gouverment was not involved in the holodomor is beyond my opinion.
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/25/2016 23:29:55


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what about isis flag?
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/26/2016 01:17:37


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No, both flags should be displayed. Both are symbols of a time gone by. You can't change the past, but you can make sure it's not forgotten.
Besides, Germans can fly the Prussian and Imperial German flags, past symbols of their nation. As long as you understand the people who flew that flag, and what they stood for, cover your house in a Swastika for all I care.
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/26/2016 02:35:36


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telling us that the soviet gouverment was not involved in the holodomor is beyond my opinion.


Where did I said this?

Both are symbols of a time gone by.


Not the British one, I'm afraid.
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/26/2016 08:19:31


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Also, Soviet past did not involve genocide of millions
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/26/2016 22:29:57


Жұқтыру
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it is not a genocide
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/26/2016 22:50:34


Belgian Gentleman
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As I said your point of view is beyond my opinion.
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/26/2016 23:31:45


Жұқтыру
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what's this even mean? "beyond my opinion"? This isn't an opinion, this is just something for you to do the research on yourself. I believe it is a democide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/26/2016 23:44:00


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while we are at it, Armenian "genocide" is actually democide as well.
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/27/2016 01:15:10


Жұқтыру
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eh really? Seems like it was collective punishment against the Armenian nationalism?
An End to Holocaust Denial laws & Nazi Stuff: 8/27/2016 04:32:14


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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This has been derailed. Back on topic please.
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