is this even allowed? this is advertising. can anyone spam this forum with whatever crap they like?

:lol: at the chumps who donate to Paul's moneybombs.


I'm going to start my own moneybomb. Donate money to me!

Yes! BAN THE DOUSHIBAG! He has no respect for the terms of service!! He's probably a terrorist! Too many hours of global productivity have been wasted due to playing warlight on the maps he created! FINISH HIM!!!!

rnt there better ways to be politically involved and spending money in political affairs than giving $6 billion to one presidential candidate?

Does it change anything for non-Americans?

I just looked at the rules and didn't see anything against this sort of post. Also I made my best effort to warn people in the title that it was about politics so they could readily avoid it if they weren't interested in such things. Additionally I didn't put in any plug in the title itself so unless someone chose to enter the thread there was no advertisement for any candidate. I thought I took fair measures to not spam anyone to who I support so it seems a bit harsh to say it's in such poor taste. Perhaps you'd like to tell me what types of topics are allowed? Am I allowed to talk about my neighbors? The weather? Another game? TV shows? Know what I found to be in poor taste, was watching House and they totally spoiled some movies. I haven't watched that show in months now. Cause spoilers aren't cool. Did I spoil something for you? Were you waiting until the whole gop nominee season was over to watch how it played out and I interjected you into the middle of the season? My bad if so, but like I tried to warn you with the title.

I am a staunch supporter of Ron Paul. Whether you like him or not he has stuck to his principles over the last 30 years.

A long post ahead, I know people would never expect such from me, so prepare yourself!

As for why I posted political stuff here it's because I don't have very many outlets and wanted to take advantage of one of the ones I do have even if it's a gaming oriented place. Also I'm not interjecting it in any actual games, just on the forums where people come to talk with other players. If there was an 'off topic' forum I would have placed it there as it doesn't specifically deal with the game itself.

I don't really consider myself a libertarian. Although I believe we should have as much liberty and freedom as possible. When you use a term like libertarian though it tends to get skewed into things it's not. Like 'liberal' which has as a definition "favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties". People use it in all sorts of other ways to describe people who don't really fit the definition well at all. So just thought I'd start with that clarification.

I think the idea is that we need government to help protect our liberties, but at the same time the government can take those liberties from us. When government becomes powerful and corrupt it uses all its power to assist specific corporations and groups at the expense of others and individuals. In this situation the government and corporations are both too powerful because they're working together in an unfair and unjust way. So part of the idea in limiting government is that the less ability it has to dole out these special favors to corporations and the like. I think the Constitution and Bill of Rights recognized the problem that any government represents a constant struggle between justice and corruption and they aimed to create a government and at the same time tried to limit its power such that it wouldn't become a problem and could serve its purpose.

A big company isn't any inherent problem, but if its big and powerful because it's getting special favors then that's a problem because it means it's using force through government to gain an unfair advantage over its competition.

The idea behind smaller federal government in particular I think is because of the recognition that any corruption that does occur would then be overbearing on the whole country versus just a single state and that it then requires a broader effort to fight the corruption. Which is why Ron Paul wants to get rid of many federal programs as they've become corrupt and protect companies and corporations at the expense of individuals and consumers. It's easier in a way to fight corruption at a more local level and it's also easier to avoid should efforts to get rid of it fail.

"The left believes big corporations are ruining this country, and we should give more power to government."

As I said anyone who says that is missing the point that corporations that have too much power tend to have it because of too much government, corrupt government specifically. So giving more power to the government would likely increase the problem. The government doesn't need more power it needs simply to use the power it already has to act more justly. Why have some special law when using the basic rule of no fraud would suffice to sue the company for example.

"The right believes big government is ruining the country, and more power should be in the hands of corporations"

I don't even get what that means to give corporations more power. Do people actually say that?

I think the general goal is to have individual power as much as possible. In that meaning that the majority can't rule over the individual because through the government he is empowered to prevent mob rule. By working to protect the individual we work to protect mob rule and ourselves whenever we're that minority. The problem is that when you're in the majority you don't see it that way sometimes and want to override the individual. In doing so you take away your own rights and should a situation where you're no longer in the majority occur you suddenly find yourself in an unfavorable position.

The proper balance of government will always be a struggle as people fight for power and everyone has their own ideas of what it should and shouldn't be and do. But people should keep in mind that government is a forceful entity. Everything it does is by force. So I like to propose that anytime you suggest government should do something you think about how it's doing it at gun point.

I love you too Guy Mannington! Even if you are a crazy Canadian!

|> Does it change anything for non-Americans?

I'd say of course it does! Of course if it will immediately and drastically change for you depends... are we currently bombing your country? Do we seem to be considering it? If not to both those then the change may not be as immediately evident and positive.

Just think of it as your neighbor no longer hunting around your yard, but instead planting some trees to grow some more fruit.

"Newt Gingrich, calling your bluff, do you really want to be president?"

"Noo..."

"Would you like to leave now and beat the rush out of the parking lot?"

"Thank you"

Haha.

Fizer, I really think you should lock and delete these threads.

doushibag, not only does noone give a fuck, you bring up these politics entirely in the context of some ron paul fundraiser. i dont have any problem with people discussing anything, politics, entertainment, whatever, on these boards, but i cant believe you cant tell the difference between 'anyone see community last night?' and 'community seasons 1 & 2 box set out 21st october!!!!! only $38.87 on amazon,
.com!!!!! catch community season 3 thursdays 9/10c nbc'

if you want to campaign for ron paul theres an entire section of the internet cordonned off for you: youtube comments, where everyone who has ever voted for him is always spamming with crap.

you arent offering your opinions in an open discussion of a topic, youre parroting talking points in unreadably long adverts for a political candidate. and you know that.

on a side note, my local ku klux klan chapter is holding a small fundraiser next saturday at the church, hope you can make it doushi. and dont forget to become a member of the communist party of america! [Link text]

Hmmm, you make a good point [WM] x... I guess that is an important distinction that I wasn't making. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that. I was over eager in that it's not just selling some consumer product, but a set of ideals and a man to support them.

Wow [WM] x so angry.Who cares who he likes? and how is this post worth getting this upset, i find your posts much more offensive.

If your an old guy nevermind i love angry old guys

"doushibag, not only does noone give a fuck, you bring up these politics entirely in the context of some ron paul fundraiser. i dont have any problem with people discussing anything, politics, entertainment, whatever, on these boards, but i cant believe you cant tell the difference between 'anyone see community last night?' and 'community seasons 1 & 2 box set out 21st october!!!!! only $38.87 on amazon,
.com!!!!! catch community season 3 thursdays 9/10c nbc'"

I have to agree, you did come off as a staunch ron paul supporter to me..
Personally I don't mind the conversation, albeit I'll likely end up skipping over this thread, much like I do over Impaller Vs the World.. just because it's the kind of thing I don't tend to want to think about when I am visiting warlight.net in most occassions.

|> *Are we currently bombing your country? Do we seem to be considering it?*

How should we know? You're the Libertarian insider. Would the Netherlands be on your blacklist...?
Actually I think that, right now, Obama would rather bomb a rating agency than another country. :)
Seriously though, if you need that much money to *convince* people you're right, then you can't possibly *be* right.

actually i dont care at all, it was all a trojan horse for that community plug.

"if you need that much money to convince people you're right, then you can't possibly be right."

Unfortunately, I think winning a presidential election is not as much about being right as it is about being telegenic and saying what people want to hear, which is one reason Ron Paul can never win. He's old, and has a high voice, and says things people don't like.

I like Ron Paul very much, but I happen to think he's wrong about the role of Government in society. I think there are things the government can and should do. However I agree with him that it's gotten too big and that bloated corporations and non-declared wars in every corner of the globe are ruining us.

P.S. lol @ [WM] x and Guy Mannington and the rest of you funny guys.

Community is an amazing show and everyone should watch it.

I'd rather keep politics out of Warlight especially when talking about someone who has no chance at the nomination....looking at your Ron Paul (as much as I agree with about 40% of things you support). In short, watch Community, it's amazing, politics on Warlight is a bad idea and Ron Paul's campaign is fun to watch if you like watching the hindenburg explode in that old timie footage.