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Promotion/Relegation league: 5/7/2012 13:03:55

Grzechooo 
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Cool idea, if you need some players, count me in.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/7/2012 14:21:09


Chokecherry 
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Good to see more interest developping. All those of you who have recently expressed interest will be added to Group E for Season 3. Keep an eye on the link to Season 2, group D tournament, posted above to get an idea of how soon that can start - it may be a couple of weeks yet.

Season 2 for groups A, B and C has not started yet, but hopefully that will begin before too long. The fact is, some players take more time than others to take their turns.

Heyheuhei, you have completed all your games in your first tournament, but you will have to wait for the three Season 1 round-robins to be completed before your new group can begin. It looks like you will be in Group A, but full results will be posted when they are ready.

Aper, thanks for the suggestion. Ultimately, I think the idea is to have one chain develop, but I am open to ways of expediting things, especially for new entrants. I may invite you to a 1 v 1 to discuss it with you a bit more.

The greatest challenge, I think, is keeping the seasons relatively short. So far, we're going with 6 player RR's, playing 2 games at a time and 3 day autoboot and vacations honoured. That can result in each season taking a few weeks. I'm not impatient with this, but we can adjust that if things drag too much.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/7/2012 15:40:11


[中国阳朔]TexasJohn 
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I am actually pretty excited about my win against HHH! He is one of the top players, and I managed to beat him. Of course, in the game chat he mentioned that he made some silly mistakes, so I didn't beat him in his best game, but as a merely average player I am quite happy!
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 15:29:04


The 1e Orange
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I think playing 3 games at a time would be better.
Question: will the 2 best of group D be promoted to group C and the 2 lowest will go to group E?
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 15:32:13

The Duke of Ben 
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Sorry to do this, but I am going to drop out of the league. I've gotten burned out on 1v1 games lately, and playing my turns is more of a chore than anything else. I know this breaks up your plans for future placement, so I'm sorry about that.

Would it be better if I surrendered from my current games, or played out the season?
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 15:35:16


[中国阳朔]TexasJohn 
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Domenico, don't act like I am a good player! I am rubbish!
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 15:58:17


The Yellow Team
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Domenico, I'll vouch for TexasJohn. He is rubbish.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 18:19:43


Chokecherry 
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Orange: I think your idea of 3 games at a time (instead of 2) is a good one to speed things along. If I don't hear a lot of objections to that, I'll implement that in the next round of tournaments.

The top 2 from D will go to C (maybe the top 3 to fill the Duke's gap). Since D has 7 participants, only 1 would have dropped to E to join the new entrants, making D a group of 6 for season 3. With the Duke's early retirement, that may be adjusted. In any event, the idea is to have group D become a group of 6.

Duke of Ben: Sorry to hear a fine competitor like you is leaving, but I appreciate the notice. It's better for the tournament for you to finish your games, but it's your choice if you wish simply to surrender from your games. I'll figure out necessary adjustments. You will be considered to have finished last in your group.

Anyone else who wishes to not continue, please show the same courtesy that the Duke has shown ahead of time. Everyone is otherwise automatically placed into the appropriate new Group.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 18:53:24


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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if you need another player, then I'm available, this sounds like a very good idea
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 18:58:20


Chokecherry 
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You already said that, and I already replied, Arun.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/9/2012 19:00:35


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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k srry for the repost,
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 07:24:40

bore 
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What is the point of having to accept your opponents surrender in a 1v1 game?

Also, it would be nice to be able to see a summary of the progress in the league so it's easy to see how many games everyone has won and of course how many games they finished already. Right now the only option I know is to click every name in the league.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 11:52:28


Chokecherry 
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Bore: thanks for the feedback. I agree with removing the need to accept surrenders for subsequent tourneys.

As for your second suggestion, I don't see a good way of improving the progress info from what is already offered on the tournament page itself. At a glance, you can see the white lines represent completed games and the blue lines indicate games in progress - good feature. Then, as you say, clicking on each name in the circle gives a complete W/L record.

I plan to give summaries at the end of each RR, but to do so more frequently would clutter up this thread more than I'd like to. That doesn't mean that players can't chat about their progress here or on the tournament pages if the wish to.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 12:28:54


[中国阳朔]TexasJohn 
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Is it really set that we have to accept surrenders? I hadn't noticed.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 12:34:32


Chokecherry 
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Hmmm, TexasJohn's right. Not sure what you meant, bore, but it looks like the settings are already the way you suggest, there.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 15:58:28


Chokecherry 
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Here is an update to how things are shaking out structurally.

Group D (Season 2) has progressed very quickly. We might know the results there as early or earlier than the 3 Season 1 groups. With the Duke of Ben's departure, I am proposing to fill in his spot in Season 2 Group C with the winner of Group D - with time travel, this is possible. The winner's reward is not having to wait for Season 3.

This would mean that the current Group D 2nd and 3rd place finishers would be promoted to Group C in Season 3 and that the last place finisher will not be relegated to E for Season 3. They will be joined by the 5th and 6th finalists of Group C, Season 2.

BostonPhoenix, General Arun, Kingu, Luxis, Anakin Chigurh and Grzechooo are in line for Season 3 Group E. I am proposing to get that started soon, even though the timing and season overlap is getting a bit complicated. If there are any more who are interested in joining, they may get in on this Group E which does not necessarily have to be limited to 6.

Still open to suggestions.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 16:33:19


The 1e Orange
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I think is is better if you pretend that the group D (season 2) was playing in season 1.
reason:
1. Group D (Season 2) will end as early as the season 1 groups;
2. There has been no other group started for season 2.

So if you already did start group E for season 3, then i think you shout just "skip" season 2, or if you haven't started group E, season 3 yet then make it season 2.

On this way the players have to wait less.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 17:44:59


Rento 
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I agree with Orange. Group D will end soon, as for now there are 4 games in progress plus only 1 that hasn't started yet.

Top 2 from every group would make first division, players placed 3-4 second division and so forth. No idea what to do with the 7th player in our group though.

This would lead to divisions made of eight players instead of six, what is a good thing in my opinion. Less chance of players having the same number of wins. If we are going for the 3 games at a time system then two additional games shouldn't be a problem.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 18:27:23


Rento 
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I forgot about Duke of Ben.

6th player from his group, bottom two from the other "season I" groups and bottom three from group D could make third division.
Promotion/Relegation league: 5/10/2012 18:48:48


Chokecherry 
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Orange and Zerbi have made an interesting proposal and I understand the frustration of waiting. I'd like to hear from others on this, especially from those in the first three groups. I am considering the merits of this, but so far my hesitation is based on the following cons:

- I think we settled on 6 as an ideal number for groups, with 2 promoted, 2 relegated and 2 staying as the ordinary pattern, rather than 8.

- The original idea is to have lots of groups and eventually a long chain of groups that you can move up and down on - it's a long term challenge to see how high you can climb, for now we have enough for 5 groups and I don't want fewer at this point.

- I am probably going with Orange's suggestion of 3-games-at-a-time instead of 2, but even so, 8 in a group will delay the seasons more than 6 in a group.

- I think the fluidity of only 2 staying in the same group between seasons will make for more interest and variety instead of 4. That's too much of the same competitors over and over.

- Hopefully, in the grand scheme of things a bit more waiting will be worth the fun of having an ideally structured chain that has long-term interest.

Let's hear from the other participants on this. I'm leaning towards my proposal, but I will listen to a consensus going the other way.
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