also 2 elitist clans too join comes to mind
{rp}
. apex
i bet both will accept influencial wm members

Ironheart please refrain from posting about things you don't understand of have no affliciton with. Both clans are groups of friends, not 100% sure about {rp}, so they will not accept members of [WM].

This time I proved you wrong in a gently way. Next time I won't chose my words this wisely.

envaeronment are you i know that but some are friends with wm members and what do you mean by gentle way i really don't care how you claim to prove me wrong after all it's in a public forum so i can post in it if you want to tell someone off for butting in tell someone else.

I clearly remember advancing a very humble request directly to you (Red) for a tryout just 3-5 months ago, and being accepted in the clan only after having a game with you first and Dazed later. I am sure still a "new guy" in the clan, and might have no voice in this except that you did personally accept me some months ago so I'm not someone you just found out about out of nowhere.

I do not by any means consider myself to be a strong player but I think I'm quite consistent in presence and game. I agree with X when he says this is a bad way to communicate with the clan both in terms of physical mean (forum, bad choice) and in terms of lack of charismatic / leadership skills.

Anyway, I was just looking for an excuse to detach myself a bit from this game, so I geuss I'll just finish my games and avoid joining new ones, keeping the [WM] tag a bit for pride. if you will permit that, I shall soon disappear anyway.

My lack of diplomatic carisma it's because i'm from east europe and because my english aknoledge don't allow me to say what i want in the way i want.

For the east europea thing, just ask to polish :) They look like they are rude, but it's just their way to communicate. I assure that you would be surprised if you listened to me in italian.

min34, i was only trying to explain why i personally wouldnt want to join your clan. im sure the people in REGl enjoy warlight more because of their clan.

ironheart was uncharacteristically on the money with "your ego will earn the influential post of power clan leader".

i dont really know much about rp, apex or #elite, to have anything to say about them.

sorry if my language offended you, dear raptor.

everyone: i would rather have conducted this in private and in retrospect i probably should have just left red a message on a game chat. its probably too late to rectify this, but anyway, i wont read or reply in this thread anymore. if you have something to say to me, tell me in the chatroom, or in a game chat, where i can ignore you more easily.

Alright, Red I suppose I will have to address your points against me.

1. I have 0 skill

• I currently have a 2-3 record against you. Not the best but better then most.
  
• The "Tryouts" which I won. http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1379794
  
• The 1v1 game against x, who is a great player, who is "good enough" to join. http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2751988

2.

I'm not claming to be the messiah of Warlight, just i think there are some standards a player should fit to join WM. We lost Gnuffone for that reason. He player a tourney with vapor and bigby, or whatever, i don't remember exactly, but 2 of the guys i excluded for now, and they lost every single match. After that Gnuffone left.

So I guess this torunament with Gnuffone is just total bull shit then?
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2176

3. Please update you list on your profile, you seem to have lost quite a few members.

I'll say no more on this, if you want to talk invite me to a game or make a tournament. the way this should of been done. I've always prided myself on being in one of the higher up clans that didn't post random bull shit on the forums. Guess that's gone now.

VaporX out.

[P] is open for any of you who were either removed from [WM] or just quit. Invite me to a game and I'll answer any questions you have about it. We only have about 15 players and so you could get to know everyone fairly quickly instead of a huge clan like [REGL] with 50+ players where it would take a very long time to know everyone.

This is the best thread on warlight

*sigh*
Well, Although I don't know many of you, I have played with and against a few of you, and due to the topic of clans, I want to pitch in.

Okay, so to begin with, my experience with [WM]players.
So far out of all the matches I have played with and against various members, They have all seemed like above average or good players.
So the "standards" you are imposing seem rather... inconsistent and more about players you don't like.
Which would be fine, it is your clan... right?

Which leads me to the next thing, the clan.
So you leave for two weeks and didn't know you wouldn't have Internet.
Why is that a problem?
You have Co-leaders, no?
Then a second in command, no?
Members you can trust to step up and handle things, yeah?
Then don't get annoyed when someone steps up, hell promote them, praise them, invite them to a game, thank them for being around when you disappeared without warning when no one knows when you will get back.
They let in people who you dont know... NO SHIT SHERLOCK! you were gone, with no date of return.
How about talk with the people who handled recruitment in your stead, discuss who to let in, having tiers things like that.
Sounds like you have/had the people with the dedication.

So that leads to leadership, and what being a clan leader intales.
You don't need to be around all the time, hmm.
I am part of an FPS clan,"yeah but that is different" I hear you saying.
Well the last time we all played and owned the same game was over 6 months ago.
We formed on a game with super basic clan support.
The only thing it has is:
You can start a clan.
The Leader(founder) can invite members and promote officers, and kick any player.
Officers can invite players, kick members and officers and promote players.
Members cant do anything.
All it did was allow you to access a clan list and gave you a tag in front of your name, no clan wars, no clan ranking, lists, etc.
we made a website, used are various skills to make it a awesome site, make videos, music, images, logos, etc.
We are still going, we still organize events of games that a few of us own, we have had leaders leave, officers leave, many members, but we are still fine, why?
Because THE MEMBERS ARE THE CORE!

Why is there a leader, he or she is the person who takes the PR, he is the one that guides the clan, and has a vision.
Doesn't mean that he can tell half the clan that they are kicked and expect no one to care, and everyone to understand.
Red, your job is to be the spokesperson, when someone wants to know where [WM] stands on something, you are the figure head.
Is it a nice role, a fun role, no.
But if you do it well you get to see your group flourish, you will gain respect.

So what do you need to do to be a good leader?
You need to be good at speaking, making people like you, spell check just suggested marketing, so Marketing.
You need to want to be Leader, you need to be willing to see what is good for the clan, not you, not someone you like in the clan, what is good for the majority.
Which means, if you as you said, are not good at conveying your message since your eastern European, then maybe someone else would be better?
Maybe step down?

Now of course you have already done a lot of damage, but with some good damage control maybe you can fix and get some members back, maybe.

TLDR
To F-ing bad, go back and read it.
Or don't, but then please don't reply to my post.
Also Red, maybe you should apologize and start talking things through with the players.
Or if you still feel you did nothing wrong, then good luck with the aftermathe of your choices, for the reputation of the clan I hope it goes well.

Oh, you shouldn't have bring the conversation on how many games you won and against who...

You don't have any 2-3 record.

Discussing Superbonuses on Alternative Europe (Declined)
Alternative Europe TESTING High level 2 vs 2 [WM] (SurrenderAccepted)
High Level Alternative Europe TESTING 4 vs 4 (Playing)
EU 3v3 Ladder?: Round of 32 (SurrenderAccepted)
Tryouts/Clan Practice. All WM Join Up: Game 105 (Won)
WM Tryouts (Won)
WM Tryouts (EndedByVote)

Actually when you talk about me you should involve only 1v1. The only one game you won against me was on a TESTING MAP, and it was a 2vs2. The euro 3v3 have never started. (http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2584411)
Also even the 1st tryout was won but then Dazed got booted. (http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1379796)

You started this "LetsShowToThePeopleHowGoodAmI" so here you are: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2176
That tourney made me think a lot about who i should have cut off and who not. A single victory doesn't means much. And you DON'T have to show me your personal records against me! I'm not the meter of your skills, tournaments like this are!

In the end, i will also show you the tournament with Gnuffone i was talking about, i can't find it right now because probably i didn't take part, but it was a round robin.

shall we let this thread die now?

arguments can continue in private can't they?

Im embarrassed just reading these posts

Hereby I declare this thread as most epic ever.

I'm replying simply because Lawm said on the IRC that this was the most hilarious thing ever and I should reply for his amusement. Here you go buddy =).

That is a 2-3 record... 2 wins - 3 losses.

Discussing Superbonuses on Alternative Europe (Playing)
Alternative Europe TESTING High level 2 vs 2 [WM] (Won)
High Level Alternative Europe TESTING 4 vs 4 (Playing)
EU 3v3 Ladder?: Round of 32 (Won)
Tryouts/Clan Practice. All WM Join Up: Game 105 (SurrenderAccepted)
WM Tryouts (SurrenderAccepted)
WM Tryouts (EndedByVote)

That's 2 Wons, 2 SurrenderAceepted, 1 EndedbyVote, and 2 Playing (the top one isn't really even a game, and the other one you got booted off my team).

In the 2v2 Game ( that's not a 1v1 link you posted). you 1. said it was "just for fun" which is why I never said anything, and 2. booted Dazed yourself, after I said it'd ruin the game and Wolf agreed in team chat. I wasn't even counting that as a win, so does that mean it's really a 2 win 2 loss record then?

And the testing game was just a test true, so I'll remove it from the record then. 1-2 is our current record then. And that doesn't even matter. Do you know why?

I'd like to see this tournament with Gnuffone that we lost. Because, we've never lost a game together.

3v3 poland: Semifinals (Won)
Discussing Superbonuses on Alternative Europe (Playing)
3v3 poland: Quarterfinals (Won)
3v3 poland: First Round (Won)

Finally, that link to the tournament wasn't to whiny and bitch about how good I am, it was to show that Gnuffone didn't leave WM because of me. We never would of made it to the Finals if all of us weren't playing our best. The reason you can't find the tournament is because it doesn't exist Red. So please get your facts striaght before you go around accusing players of shit that never happened.

PS.

That tourney made me think a lot about who i should have cut off and who not. A single victory doesn't means much. And you DON'T have to show me your personal records against me! I'm not the meter of your skills, tournaments like this are!

I only showed my personal record against you because everything else was total bullshit, I had to have some kind of fact in there. I wish you hadn't opened this can of worms Red, and had just contacted us on the IRC or the WM RR.

Good enough for you lawm? =P VaporX out.

we have only had 2 tryouts and i was drunk for the second one i didnt even know it happened until u said we had had 5 tryouts and i looked at my games with u

Looking at this from a neutral perspective (And I know no one cares about my opinion, but I'll write it anyways), Red, you seem to be digging this hole for yourself deeper and deeper. My advice: apologize, admit you were wrong, and maybe you can move on with your life and keep some dignity around the community here.

For me personally, your behavior here has lost you a lot of respect.

Vapor, after reading your last post, all I could think about was "Lawyered." (How I Met Your Mother reference :P)

Bishes, glad to see another How I Met Your Mother fan =)

guys btw i think that the tournement that red is referring to, is this: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2177 . for sure ive posted just to clarify this thing. i dont want to be committed at all in a thread that is not about my own clan.

I'm leaving, but I have to wait to change my name.

Just for curiosity. who made you let in? :/