no summer. they are different. voting about how much time you need to move is totally different. i am surprised you don't see it..

@beren: there are 2 LD templates in and only 1 (with the Light Fog) got voted out so Turkey LD still remains in the list

About the boot timer i personally prefer the 5 minutes so you can still make changes while like said before with 3 minutes that is already much harder to do. I'm a pretty fast player myself when i play RT games but i rarely join games with 3 minute boot or lower. I only join them when i'm sure that i can take turns on those setting in the given time on the map it is played on and with RT ladder i don't really think it would benefit fast boot settings on most of the templates that are in use now with the changes.

Fridge, summers argument is the exact same as yours...

I agree with 5 minute boot times because while more people voted for 3 minutes, a majority of people voted for the 5 minutes or more. Definitely can't do more when more voted for less, so your best option is to keep it the same.

And for summers idea, she is completely right, mme/me would have won if only one of them was an option.

So either both should be changes, or neither.

I'm surprised you can't see it fridge.

@wakanarai, you're right that Turkey LD didn't get voted out, but games on that template tend to to be less than 10 turns in length anyway since the map is so small, so the length of the game in that case is no more than any other template. My understanding is that people were generally complaining about the possibility of games on the MME LD map dragging on forever.

RT ladder being changed to 3 minute boot ensures I will never ever play the RT ladder again. Though that said, I also vowed to never play it until the being-matched-up-an-hour-after-you-join-then-getting-booted thing was fixed, and there seems to be no push to fix that.

One option that was never even considered that should be: there should be extra time given for picks.

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These polls are certainly not scientific and the results could be interpreted in different ways. Poll design is actually quite difficult.

Fridge and Summer both show examples of how you could combine multiple poll options and then argue that the sum outweighs the other options. In theory this could be correct, however the data does not conclusively prove the theory. Only further polls could.

There's all sorts of examples that you could argue should be combined. You could even combine Final Earth and Heavy Earth's numbers since they both contain Paraguay. 72 voters voted for maps with Paraguay versus 54 that voted for maps without it, so clearly Paraguay is very important to voters, right?

Could that be true? Yes, it could. However, the data doesn't conclusively show whether voters voted for those maps based on Paraguay or based on some other factor. There's no way to be sure based on this poll data.

I present this as a silly example to show why combining poll options is a guessing game. You have to try to guess why someone voted for what they did.

One option that was never even considered that should be: there should be extra time given for picks.

You should read the actual poll. This was considered -- it was on the poll!

RT ladder being changed to 3 minute boot

It's not being changed to 3 minute boot. It's being changed to 3 minute boot with 5 minutes initial bank, meaning that you can actually take 8 minutes for a turn if you want. It's possible you knew that and were just omitting it, but everyone is focused on the 3 minute thing so it might be easy to miss that.

Excellent I definitely prefer this change.

i'm rlly confused about this banking boot time, so first turn do i get booted after 3, 5 or 8 minutes?

after 8

I didn't understand that, sorry :P

You should read the actual poll. This was considered -- it was on the poll!

You know how sometimes you come up with a tune in your head and you're like "wow, I should really write a song based around this tune!" And then before you do anything with it you hear a song on the radio with that tune and you're like "Oh, that's why that thing was floating around in my head"

That's probably what happened -_-

It's not being changed to 3 minute boot. It's being changed to 3 minute boot with 5 minutes initial bank

Oh okay that's better :P

There was room for misinterpretation in every poll question OTHER than the one i mentioned. This was the only one, where interpretation was simple, UNEQUIVOCAL and essential to fulfill people's demands. In the end though - it's Fizzer's game, with Fizzer's rules. A pity some people are just to proud to admit they made an obvious mistake. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes, and while people like Arun are not capable of understanding basic data analysis, Fizzer is, but is simply to afraid to act like he should, since changing his mind would sort of proven he made a mistake in the first place which he likely finds hard to bear.. After reading your "silly example" with Paraguay, you literally made me speechless - I thought you were better than that, Warlight Creator.

To make things straight - I am very happy Fizzer made the polls, and appreciate a lot his willing to cooperate with the players' "society", but actually i would be surprised if he didn't. I'm simply not the kind of guy to pat people on the heads for everything they do well, and boy - obviously he's made a lot of things damn good since I, myself and thousands of other players get here on a regular basis for months, if not years.. But I am a direct type of guy, and when i feel something is wrong, i say it out loud. It may seem negative to some but is far from it. I'm not hostile. I'm sincere. My intentions are pure and constructive. Were. I failed here, and Fizzer discouraged me enough to not care anymore. Once again he shows how he can't stand criticism. I'm out.

If i am wrong, and your reply was not a blatant attempt to mask your mistake, tell me what is wrong with my interpretation of THIS EXACT poll question, and not some others which i would never dare to call unequivocal. Your counterargument being based on a different question is just not adequate at all, and you know it.

Edited 9/15/2014 08:07:38