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Suggestion #16

a) Tiny Troubles
b) alexclusive
c) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=37343627
d) First strategic WR template on a very small map, opening the strategic side of Warzone to players that otherwise only play Small Earth. Picks in distribution are worth 0 to make expansion possible despite very brawly conditions and open many fronts. Aggressive play is forced to an extent by the high value of card pieces. It was love at first sight for me!

who are the judges?

The judges will include a number of the players Roi Joleil, Aika, Buns157, jache, FALSTAFF, Kenny, Marcus Aurelius, Tac(ky)tical, Rufus, Texx or all of these. We aim to average the views of many strong players. GiantFrog and myself will not be judges due to the strong representation of our templates in the suggestions.

I'm asking for understanding from the few judge candidates I could not consider. It's important that only highly skilled players are selected to ensure that all votes are high validity opinions from people with deep game understanding. Hence, I included only players which I am very confident will not be having a difficult time understanding all the templates and judging the calibration of the settings.

MTL panel on board with this? Judges should have reasonable experience playing MTL. I see a couple players on that list that have never played on the MTL. Would be a bit problematic to have them judge which templates we are going to play. Not that I am complaining that much about this list.

As a side note, anyone care to remake the World of Warhammer template? I think that map needs reworking in the same style as MME.

Edited 4/5/2024 01:49:20

Everyone involved with the MTL is on board, yes :)

I forgot Quicksilver by the way (Corn Man), he might join as a judge. The list is not entirely final, but the biggest part will remain the same.

How is this going to work out? Are templates being added or replaced? If the former, I would suggest an increase in vetoed templates then. Maybe from 7 to 10. Not a big deal.

EDIT: And if the latter, you are surely going to get backlash lol

Edited 3/22/2024 11:22:50

You can reach out to Beren for details about this, I'm only in charge for the template competition, all the other decisions (veto update, retiring templates...) are being taken by him.

Are templates being added or replaced?

This is still a bit TBD, but likely a few templates will be retired, and if there are enough good templates in this competition, we will add more than we remove.

I would suggest an increase in vetoed templates then.

I am in the process of revamping the veto system entirely. That will be announced in conjunction with the results of this competition (and is the main reason we’ve been hesitant to announce the date of the stream).

As a side note, anyone care to remake the World of Warhammer template? I think that map needs reworking in the same style as MME.

I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking for.

Well, I am genuinely disappointed that my application to become a judge got completely ignored.

Edited 3/22/2024 15:21:38

@Beren
Regarding World of Warhammer, they probably mean a map design remake, not a template change

Yes, that's what I meant. The template itself is fine. The map probably warrants a redesign IMO.

The stream timing will be announced soon!

Suggestion #17

a) Recurrence
b) Xenophon, Octane, Rufus, Lionheart
c) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=37433841
d) A custom scenario template with 5 picks and 5 different starting territory values, and 3 types of wastelands. The template is an attempt to mimic a chess game with its fixed starting positions, and where one distribution has a slight advantage.

Template Link - The example game has different card settings
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=1523308

Edited 3/30/2024 20:57:15

The selection of judges is absolutely crucial here, I would much prefer a fewer number of judges rather then judges that will give half arsed opinions with biases overriding every opinion.

Considering to do this judging part correctly, you need to play the games and have a fair mindset to make a informed opinion. I think it would be a disaster to have 10 judges.

And if you do a bigger dive, there are players on this list that should never be judges. They have had a history of having poor opinions lacking real insight or objectively. If these category of players are the ones giving scores then god help us.


Or as a alternative, it would be acceptable to have a large group of judges but discuss each template on merit as a group and give a score this way (ideally a "judge" would weigh up all the arguments and attract a score with a defined criteria perhaps). The advantage is everyone's viewpoint would be considered.

Every method has its pro and cons but if we have 10 judges making individual scores. It would be far fetched to believe it would be 10 judges making a informed opinion. playing on all templates and doing the relevant work on a volunteer basis it really makes this a issue.

And if you do a bigger dive, there are players on this list that should never be judges. They have had a history of having poor opinions lacking real insight or objectively. If these category of players are the ones giving scores then god help us.

Name them

Suggestion #18

a) Succession Wars
b) ChrisCMU
c) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=14134418 (also played in Season XXX)
d) It's an interesting template with local deployments on a small map, no base income and one army for every 5 territories, with (almost) all the bonuses being +1s clustered in a few areas of the map. Picking requires you to try secure safe +1s and establish a base to drive your opponents out of their bonuses. Swinging one or two +1 bonuses is usually enough to win a game, so it requires planning ahead and forcing overloads. I think the template has been overlooked and underrated.

Edited 4/5/2024 04:23:46

^1 more word about Succession Wars.
One army for every 5 territories is free from the LD limitations, making it a powerful weapon on this low income template. It may appear that the game is all about conquering these +1 castles, but taking a normal undefended territory from your opponent can also swing the game the other way if you count things right. It creates an interesting dynamic that I haven't seen anywhere else.

a) MME Commanders LD
b) Fizzer
c) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=11976955 (with cards, from seasonal ladder)
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=37494144 (no cards version, from clan wars)
d) Since Commanders became a usual unlockable feature that doesn't require a membership, I think we should consider adding 1 commander template to the mtl.
Surely it's not everyone's cup of tea, but players specialising in this template have ridiculous win rates on it. Imo it's a good thing, hints at a high elo spread, aka not a lotto.
The version with cards was used on seasonal ladder. The no-cards version is currently used on CW and QM as a fixed template.

I'm aware that there's 1 more commander template on MME, with 3 neutrals, created by Beren. I think it could also be considered, but I don't have a game link.

Edited 4/5/2024 18:27:12

This is the commanders template I created that Rento mentioned

a) Strategic Commanders
b) Beren
c) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=13264002
d) The template was specifically designed to feel similar to Strat ME while using commanders. It has in distribution neutrals big enough that a commander can’t take it for free, and neutrals and made income structured to have +3 ftbs and the ability to take two turn bonuses with or without a commander. Being WR means you can’t spam attacks of 1.

Evidence of it being a template that is responsive to skill is that it was played in season XXVIII which was won by Deadman.

Edited 4/6/2024 00:28:38