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Ska2D2 is the epitamy of the sad state of the infected minds of the post-Cold War West.

You made a few mistakes in your terrible analogy of my speech...

First of all you stated that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein was not a revolution. Revolution or not, the Shi'ite militia assisted the Americans extensively during the invasion. My point remains unanswered.

Secondly, you have said that the Euromaidan protests which led to the Yanukovich's regime to be overthrown was not far-right led. The group which led the entire movement was the right-sector. They are fascist in ideology. The militias which morphed out of the right-sector-led Euromaidan movement include full-blown Nazis such as Azov Battalion. You need to get yourself educated. I generally only read BBC News, so I haven't been reading any Russian propaganda, I assure you.

Thirdly, you have suggested that the Prophet Muhammad was a revolutionary. Guess what? Wrong again! He was not a revolutionary at all, and he did not lead any kind of revolution against anyone. When the Prophet was being oppressed against by the pagans from his own tribe, he never rose up against them or tried to take them over. He only became a leader of a state when it was decided by the tribes of al-Madinah to give him rulership over their city due to their recent conversion to Islam.

Fourthly (yes, you made this many factually incorrect statements), the Aal-Saud of Nejd never revolted against the Ottoman Empire at all. Whoever told you that the Ottoman Sultanate was a Caliphate is highly misinformed. The Ottomans never even considered themselves to be the Caliphate until World War One when they adopted the title in order to convince Indian Muslims to revolt against British rule.
From the characteristics which they lacked in order to become the Caliphs was the rule of every Muslim land in the world and they had to have been a descendant of the tribe of Quraysh. They possesed neither of these characteristics, and actually the Saudis had already ruled over Dir'iyyah even before the rise of the First Saudi State. They never revolted against anything. The Ottomans never controlled Nejd, and the Saudis already had a State before they were destroyed by the Ottomans. The spiritual leaders of the Saudi State held that revolt against a Muslim ruler is impermissible, and they would never violate this, as it would make them Khawaarij or renegades against Islam.

Please revise your facts before spewing nonsensical garbage.
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Their retrograde vision helped greatly to develop some obnoxious ideologies, and as a real contributing factor it led to what we know today: Islamist terrorism, intolerance, hatred and violence, everything here comes from those obscurantist Wahhabi/Salafi ideologies. Because Wahhabism is truly the fountainhead of Islamist terrorism.
Not really suprising to see that the historical Al Qaeda leader, Usama Bin Laden came from a very important Arab family supporting the Al Saud.

^Implying that the Saudis invented a new type of religion. Complete and utter misinformation.

Most sane scholars and professors of history and "Islamist terrorism" know that the modern al-Qaeda and ISIL are not born out of Wahhabism. Osama Bin Laden wasn't extreme before he left Saudi Arabia.

No, al-Qaeda and ISIL are actually born out of the Muslim Brotherhood movement in Egypt. They are Marxist Leninist Socialist revolutionaries who believe that the "rectification of the Muslim nation" will only come about by a "Muslim-wide revolution against all the Western puppet governments of the Islamic world". They are Sufi Ashari in origin, and not Salafi.

Not worth replying to you. :)

Travel, read, study, talk to educated people. Then it may be worth having a conversation with you. I won't hold my breath though you seem pretty set in your ways.

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I am pretty moderate. I do not condone terrorists like Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, al-Shabab, ISIL or Boko Haram.

You're an idiot

I don't condone terrorists!

Congratulations, you're like most people. Still doesn't counter what Ska2d2 said. Actually, now that I think about it, not a single thing you've said has legitimately countered him. It's just ad-hominem and tu quoque

It's my debating style. Get as much out of him, degrade him, then accuse him of backtracking.

He slaughter of Jews who did not accept his religion, he fought in Mecca and subdued the pagan tribes.
So yes, he fought not much but fight, and if it is against opinion of Muhammad, why his heirs did conquering the Middle East and North Africa?

I slaughter Jews and Muslims all the time, and then I roast them and eat their balls because I like it.

OK.....

Why do you all reply to shit like Colonels, Trololo, Lawlz, etc. Seriously just adding more shit to an already shitty system. Eventually, they'll go away.

Sometimes Colonel makes decent intelligent posts with evidence to back up his points.

Been here since August 2013, I'm not going away because you ignore me.

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Common Sense

>Implying that the common folk hold the same beliefs.

On a serious note: Jews lived peacefully in Madinah during the rule of Islam. The only Jews that were killed were those who were defeated in battle after rising up against the Muslims and friendly Jewish tribes in violation of their peace treaty. The only other dealing that I know of between the Muslims and Jewish tribes in Arabia at the time of the Prophet was towards the end of his life when he send one of his companions to invite a tribe who lived in Nejd to Islam, which they duly accepted.

To throw something out there, the Jewish and Christian scriptures and books which were present in the Arabian peninsula at that time contained detailed descriptions of a Prophet who was to come shortly, and he was going to live in Madinah.
All the Prophets up to and including Jesus from the time of Israel had been from the Jews, so they believed that he would come from one of their tribes. They went to live in Madinah and chose that city specifically to settle in due to the prophecy and when they used to fight wars against hostile enemies they would pray to God to grant them success so that they could fulfil his prophecy and the Jewish Prophet they were waiting for could appear. They used to mention him by name.

Also, in the bible even what survives from the original today contains some mention of the coming of "the praiseworthy one" or "the one who is praised highly". This is a translation of "Muhammad".

I invite you to join anti-homophobia.

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Based God?