wrong.

'Merica went and managed to grow into a world power in only a fewshort centuries. we did what other nations still haven't done after milleniums.

look, US hit 40%

tyrion america in terms of epic history is nothing compared of millenias-long civilizations

"'MURICA, FUCK YEAH"
"Freedom"
"We have had so many wars since our creation"
"The war on terror is NOT evil"
"Jet fuel can melt steel beams"

Believe it or not I actually voted for Italy, despite my comments on the UK. Top three on my watch.

1. Italy: "Ancient Rome created what we now call "Western society" -- including our laws, our culture and our religion. After Rome fell and Europe spent 1,000 years in darkness, Italy reclaimed it with the Renaissance. To create a civilization is achievement enough -- but to save it 10 centuries later is truly remarkable" Without Italy, what would have we been?

2. UK: "The dominant industrial and maritime power of the 19th century, the United Kingdom is often credited with being the nation that "created the modern world", by playing a leading role in developing Western ideas of property, capitalism, and parliamentary democracy as well as making significant contributions to literature, the arts, and science and technology. At its zenith, the British Empire stretched over one-quarter of the Earth's surface and encompassed a third of its population".

3. Greece: "Regarded as the cradle of western civilization and being the birthplace of modern democracy, Western philosophy, the Olympic Games, Western Literature, Political Science and drama, including both tragedy and comedy, Greece has a very long and remarkably rich history during which its culture has proven to be especially influential in Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East"

tyrion america in terms of epic history is nothing compared of millenias-long civilizations

1. US colonized by Spain, England, and France.
2. US defeats France (French and Indian War, which was, at least in the USA part of it, mostly fought and one by Americans) England 1775-1783, and Spain (1819 in Florida, and 1899 completely destroying and taking Spain's colonies)
3. US accepts colonists from everywhere
4. US then pretty much turns the tide in WW1 (Germany was weak before we came, but they were almost in Paris, and could've won) and WW2 (admit it, without our intervention, Japs wouldve crushed asia and Germany came very close in europe).
5. US then builds nukes, and uses them, making missils the weapons of the future.
6. US = awesome.

1. Not US, but the AMERICAN continent.
2. US did not even existed, England and allied indians defeated France and its Indians allies. US then gained its independence because mainly France helped them, if not it would have taken 20 more years to America to gain its independence. So thanks Lafayette for that.
3. ???
4. WW1 America started the war in 1917 when the war was already almost over, France and UK were holding the battlefront for 3 years, and yes Germans were not far from Paris, but in 1914 during the first battle of the Marne, a French and British counterattack expelled them far away (you better learn some history before commenting).
5. yes? and so did many other nations.
6. ahahah no comment.

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1. Not US, buy the AMERICAN continent.

France colonized Louisiana, spain florida, england the thriteen colonies... several other european natiosn held colonies int he states at one time or another.

2. US did not even existed, England and allied indians defeated France and its Indians allies. US then gained its independence because mainly France helped them, if not it would have taken 20 more years to America to gain its independence. So thanks Lafayette for that.

US Colonists existed then. And much of englands initial fighting was stupid. it took several years more than it shouldve for them to beat france in the US, due to bade tactics.

France joined the war because they believed the US could win.

4. WW1 America started the war in 1917 when the war was already almost over, France and UK were holding the battlefront for 3 years, and yes Germans were not far from Paris, but in 1914 during the firs battle of the Marne, but a French and British counterattack expelled them far away (you better learn some history before commenting).

Theres no evidence that Britain and France could've pulled off the same counterattack.

And beyond that, US loaned europe 10 billion, then forgave the debt (10 bil bakc then was a lot more than today)

Also- Germany and france would've starved if we hadnt sent food over.

and i notice you have nothing to say about WW2 :)

5. yes? and so did many other nations.

we were first.

plus, russia based theres off of german technology... which we couldve (and should've) stopped them from taking.

'Merica went and managed to grow into a world power in only a fewshort centuries. we did what other nations still haven't done after milleniums.

The Mongols built their colossal empire much faster than the Americans.


1. US colonized by Spain, England, and France.
2. US defeats France (French and Indian War, which was, at least in the USA part of it, mostly fought and one by Americans) England 1775-1783, and Spain (1819 in Florida, and 1899 completely destroying and taking Spain's colonies)
3. US accepts colonists from everywhere
4. US then pretty much turns the tide in WW1 (Germany was weak before we came, but they were almost in Paris, and could've won) and WW2 (admit it, without our intervention, Japs wouldve crushed asia and Germany came very close in europe).
5. US then builds nukes, and uses them, making missils the weapons of the future.
6. US = awesome.

1. Also by the Netherlands, Sweden. "Colonised by England" Great Britain, thank you very much.

2. When USA defeated France, you make a complete lie saying that it was "mostly fought and (incorrect spelling) one by the Americans". Britain defeated France, as part of the Seven Years War. When they defeated UK, they had a lot of support from France. Gaining Florida was to do with a confusing treaty, in the aftermath of the Seven Years War. America gaining "completely destroying and taking Spain's colonies"... They defeated MEXICO. Not Spain. Two ENTIRELY different countries.

3. This point makes absolutely no sense.

4. WW1: The Entente would have won anyway. With the Ottoman Empire being heavily defeated, the ethnic breakup of Austria-Hungary, and the sheer weakness of Bulgaria, Germany would be the only Central Power left, and would either A) Realise that they cannot win, or B) Continue fighting, and lose.
WW2: Operation Barbarossa was a stupid move from Germany. This proves that they have learned nothing from Napoleon. If you attack Russia (by this point USSR), and you don't beat the country by winter, you will simply be defeated. NOBODY survives Russian winters (Except the Mongols). The USSR's strength would be enough to take down Germany, and with the help of Britain, and the Free French, they would have almost definitely still won World War Two. Note that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the most important factors that made Japan surrender, it was USSR breaking their Non Aggression Pact. This would very likely still happen in the alternate timeline, where USA doesn't join World War Two, and Japan would be defeated as well. The several other Axis Powers (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, even Italy, etc.) would easily be defeated, because they wouldn't have a strong enough military, or they simply had bad leaders... *Looks at pictures of Mussolini*.

5. Wow... USA has nukes!? AMAZING! So does France, UK, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, maybe Israel, and maybe North Korea (hard to tell what North Korea are up to).

6. No justification or evidence, no rebuttal deserved, or needed.

Oh, and by the way. I voted for Persia.

EDIT: Checked the poll stats... 1% for Turkey, and 0% for Arabia? Seriously? These countries have some incredibly interesting histories. Does nobody else find the Islamic Caliphates, the Seljuk & Ottoman Turks interesting? These countries are heavily underrated.

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I do.

Honestly, I voted for America because I'm extremely patriotic. If it wasn't for that, i would've gone for Austria-Hungary (if it was there) or Ottomans.

Also by the Netherlands, Sweden. "Colonised by England" Great Britain, thank you very much.

And Great Russia :)

2. When USA defeated France, you make a complete lie saying that it was "mostly fought and (incorrect spelling) one by the Americans". Britain defeated France, as part of the Seven Years War. When they defeated UK, they had a lot of support from France. Gaining Florida was to do with a confusing treaty, in the aftermath of the Seven Years War. America gaining "completely destroying and taking Spain's colonies"... They defeated MEXICO. Not Spain. Two ENTIRELY different countries.

Also, in 1899, that's the American-Spanish war. America took the Philippines and Cuba and Puerto Rico. Not an important war though, Philippines were already in full revolt, and Cuba=Canaries, but bigger.

WW2: Operation Barbarossa was a stupid move from Germany. This proves that they have learned nothing from Napoleon. If you attack Russia (by this point USSR), and you don't beat the country by winter, you will simply be defeated. NOBODY survives Russian winters (Except the Mongols). The USSR's strength would be enough to take down Germany, and with the help of Britain, and the Free French, they would have almost definitely still won World War Two. Note that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the most important factors that made Japan surrender, it was USSR breaking their Non Aggression Pact. This would very likely still happen in the alternate timeline, where USA doesn't join World War Two, and Japan would be defeated as well. The several other Axis Powers (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, even Italy, etc.) would easily be defeated, because they wouldn't have a strong enough military, or they simply had bad leaders... *Looks at pictures of Mussolini*.

Another fact: Soviets killed 3/4 Germans total killed in World War 2, and 1/3 deaths in World War 2 was a Soviet citizen. Also, the Soviet Japanese invasion took 11 days to complete, capturing what's now North Korea, Kuril Islands, Manchuria and Japanese-controlled Inner Mongolia.

Wow... USA has nukes!? AMAZING! So does France, UK, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, maybe Israel, and maybe North Korea (hard to tell what North Korea are up to).

Also, South Africa used to have nukes, but threw them away. Hats off to them for peace. Also, many other countries (Sweden, Switzerland) used to have nuclear programmes, but disabled them in the 70s 80s era.

This is about epic history, not how great they are.

5. Ever heard of Werner von Braun or Albert Einstein?

1. Terrible argument. You lose without even trying to win.

2. George Washington led the British forces.

Thanks for sharing this information. Totally forgot about Russia colonising Alaska.

The rise and fall of the Austrian Empire is also very interesting.

1. Also by the Netherlands, Sweden. "Colonised by England" Great Britain, thank you very much.

I did mention other nations in my rebuff to angry panda.

Gaining Florida was to do with a confusing treaty, in the aftermath of the Seven Years War. America gaining "completely destroying and taking Spain's colonies"... They defeated MEXICO. Not Spain. Two ENTIRELY different countries.

Your confused.

Britain gained Florida after the seven years war, but it was retaken by Spain after the revolutionary war.
However Andrew Jackson took Florida because of bandits operating from there, and we later payed spain for it.

Also, yes we defeated Mexico, but i'm talkign about the SPAINISH-AMERICAN WAR OF 1899. WHERE WE DEFEATED SPAIN IN 3 MONTHS, TAKING PUERTO RICO, CUBA, GUAM, AND THE PHILLIPINES, THE LAST OF SPAINS COLONIES.

3. This point makes absolutely no sense.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.

4. WW1: The Entente would have won anyway. With the Ottoman Empire being heavily defeated, the ethnic breakup of Austria-Hungary, and the sheer weakness of Bulgaria, Germany would be the only Central Power left, and would either A) Realise that they cannot win, or B) Continue fighting, and lose.
WW2: Operation Barbarossa was a stupid move from Germany. This proves that they have learned nothing from Napoleon. If you attack Russia (by this point USSR), and you don't beat the country by winter, you will simply be defeated. NOBODY survives Russian winters (Except the Mongols). The USSR's strength would be enough to take down Germany, and with the help of Britain, and the Free French, they would have almost definitely still won World War Two. Note that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the most important factors that made Japan surrender, it was USSR breaking their Non Aggression Pact. This would very likely still happen in the alternate timeline, where USA doesn't join World War Two, and Japan would be defeated as well. The several other Axis Powers (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, even Italy, etc.) would easily be defeated, because they wouldn't have a strong enough military, or they simply had bad leaders... *Looks at pictures of Mussolini*.

WW1, your probably right.

WW2: Germany was working on nukes as well. And other advanced Missils. And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless

USSR- Oh god. No, it was the fact that literally hundreds of thousands of civilians were dying daily as the US bombed Japan.

As I said before the Germans were close the making nukes. One nuke, big russian army = gone.

London = gone.

Etc., etc.

5. Wow... USA has nukes!? AMAZING! So does France, UK, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, maybe Israel, and maybe North Korea (hard to tell what North Korea are up to).

We have more than all of them combined.

5. Ever heard of Werner von Braun or Albert Einstein?

1. Terrible argument. You lose without even trying to win.

2. George Washington led the British forces.

5. Helps my arguement.

George Washington led Virginia Militia in 7 years war, and you know it!

1. Yeah. That one wasn't very good.

THE LAST OF SPAINS COLONIES.

False. Ever hear of Bioko? O las plazas de Soberanía o las Canarias? Still settled by Spain today (except Bioko). By 1899, Spain was weak, it's nothing to be really proud of to defeat. Also, the Phillipines helped America out quite a bit, having already drained Spain's resources since before the war.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.

Emirates, anyone?

And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.

D-Day was not important in World War 2, relatively.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.

And yet....they did.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless

Bit harsh to say. Put it more at Italy's level.

We have more than all of them combined.

Your confused.

Indeed I was. However at that point Spain was no superpower. They were just a falling nation breathing their last breath of colonial power waiting to be taken away by a rising nation.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.

People immigrate to America because they understand the strength of their economy, and their people's lifestyles. America is a very glamorous country nowadays, but we're debating its history.

WW2: Germany was working on nukes as well. And other advanced Missils. And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless

USSR- Oh god. No, it was the fact that literally hundreds of thousands of civilians were dying daily as the US bombed Japan.

As I said before the Germans were close the making nukes. One nuke, big russian army = gone.

London = gone.

All the German scientists who suggested weapons utilising the atom were exiled.

USSR's strength was not necessarily enough to take down Germany, but their winter was.

The Free French were a massive driving force that were a very strong component liberating French Africa.

The primary reason Japan surrendered was because USSR broke their Non-Aggression-Pact towards them.

We have more than all of them combined.

Even Western reports suggest that Russia probably have the most nukes nowadays.

Also, considering America beating the French, without Britain's manpower capacity, USA would have never been able to beat the French.

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THE LAST OF SPAINS COLONIES.


False. Ever hear of Bioko? O las plazas de Soberanía o las Canarias? Still settled by Spain today (except Bioko). By 1899, Spain was weak, it's nothing to be really proud of to defeat. Also, the Phillipines helped America out quite a bit, having already drained Spain's resources since before the war.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.
Emirates, anyone?

And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.


D-Day was not important in World War 2, relatively.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.


And yet....they did.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless


Bit harsh to say. Put it more at Italy's level.

We have more than all of them combined.

Bioko? Not worth mentioning.

also, not entirely true. Spain had a decent navy in the atlantic, and Pascual Cervera y Topete was a decent admiral.

For UAE? almost certainly. 'Merica has 6 million muslims. gotta love 'em.

Yes, USSR took down Germany... only with other stronger nations (thinking UK, US).

Also, UK and US made peace with Russia and US sent them supplies because... they didnt want Germany to win. USSR received MUCH HELP.

Free France was not at Italy's level. it had better military leadership, but it wasn't that strong.