why do you need a manifesto!?

Edited 7/8/2015 04:20:08

So I can get y point across.

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congress is the ONLY branch of government with the power to declare war.

i quit reading after you got that wrong.

Also if the EU and Nato weren't constantly fucking with Putin he wouldn't have had to secure it's naval assets in Crimea.

Who declared war in Vietnam? Nobody actually but the president sent the troops. Shyb you are the one who is wrong. Check your sources.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm

Last war ever declared was Romania in 1942 you dumbass

*edit* The only war Congress disagreed on fighting is the only war total victory wasn'the achieved. You guys are pretty ignorant.

Edited 7/8/2015 04:27:41

From the link YOU provided

The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war.

read the constitution before going on political rants. war was never declared in korea or vietnam. the president does not have the ability to declare war, but gets around the rules by calling it not quite war. im pretty sure bush 1 and 2 asked congress to declare war in iraq 1 and 2 and Afghanistan.

THAT'S MY POINT xD

Stahp the President from loopholing into "police actions".

No it definitely was not

Give Congress the power to declare war

Implies that they didn't have the power to do so in the first place.

CONGRESS DOESN'THE DECLARE WAR BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT DOES IT FIRST

That wasn't even a sentence.

> spends life posting political views on the forums of a site where people come to play online Risk

> expects to be taken seriously

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Edited 7/8/2015 05:03:39

What's funnier is people who join Warlight to play still post comments on threads they don't take seriously because they are here to play online risk.

You'll see... in 20 years when you fucks finally have no more power over the world.

I think everyone is missing Kellen's point. He's saying that why Congress officially has the power to declare war, the power is often subverted because the president can use his commander and chief powers to deploy the military into a war like situation without needing any real approval.

What's funnier is people who join Warlight to play still post comments on threads they don't take seriously because they are here to play online risk.

Also, this^

Ben Carson 4 President!!!!!

no eklipse, the point is that debating someone who refuses to inform himself of the issues is a sisyphean task. you and kellen are so wrong i could write a book about it. but books already exist. go pick one up.

no eklipse, the point is that debating someone who refuses to inform himself of the issues is a sisyphean task. you and kellen are so wrong i could write a book about it. but books already exist. go pick one up.

No shyb, you go read a book. Everything I said is true. The fact I need to lay it out for you is the sad part:
1. The President is Commander and Chief of the U.S armed forces.
2. The President thus can deploy the military into combat situations without war being declared by Congress.
3. The U.S has been in multiple conflicts without war being officially declared. (I.E: Almost every campaign in the Middle East)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States#Other_undeclared_wars (If you're one of those, "Wikipedia isn't valid"types then simply check the sources provided on the page, it'll lead you to a non user edited website)

how about the section " military engagements authorized by congress"? or maybe the introduction where it states "However, that passage provides no specific format for what form legislation must have in order to be considered a "declaration of war" nor does the Constitution itself use this term." (talking about congress' war declaring powers in the constitution).

I've been searching through wikipedia for a conflict that the president started but coongress opposed but was powerless to stop and the closest i could find is secret military actions that don't really count since congress obviously can't oppose anything they have no knowledge of.

funny that nearly everything in that article proves my point...

military actions brought on by un resolutions were funded by congress. i assume if congress votes to fund something, they are not too opposed to it.

also look at the war powers act. after vietnam congress passed this to be more specific on what a president can do without congress' approval. still, nearly every time the president sought approval from congress AND kept the action within the bounds of the war powers act.

the only recent action that has been questioned is obama's use of the military in libya's civil war. congress didn't even come close to rebuking him.

yes, potentially the president has the power to start a conflict that congress doesn't want. but congress has the power to stop funding for the conflict and even impeach the president if the situation calls for it.