Thanks guys.

MW, getting an "Unable to access document" issue and can't tell whether it's on my end. Is the sheet visible to anyone with the link?

It should be visible to anyone with link, yes. I can access it from another account without being logged in and I've seen other people ("anonymous squirrel" and the likes) accessing it yesterday.

Well, in that case I would much rather see %16 SR on ladders than %0 WR. It eliminates the obscure ones. I had thought that %0 WR did that already, but I guess not (it looks like really it effects 5v3 and 5v4 attacks and that is it, for the more common ones).

I would prefer %0 SR myself. But if we are going to allow 3v2s to fail as I know most probably want (including Fizzer), why not do %16 SR and get rid of the BS luck?

The biggest difference though would be the 6v4 attacks (at over %80). That would change expanding a lot.

Edited 8/10/2015 15:48:18

as strategie value 16% is pretty bad though, especially for 1s micro management. only 83,33% of time 1 kill 1 in 1vX that is the essence of SR imho.
0% SR should be standard in any competition... as you usually don't want luck influence competition.

Math Wolf, why can we not copy the values out? I'd like to save it for reference later since we know everything gets buried on here.

Can we also get a sheet that has leftover amounts likely? That would be sick.

Edited 8/10/2015 15:53:36

Regarding the poll, here are the results so far:

%16 WR, 2 picks 8 18%
%16 WR, 3 picks	6 13%
%16 WR, 4 picks	0 0%
%0 WR, 2 picks	1 2%
%0 WR, 3 picks	6 13%
%0 WR, 4 picks	24 53%

Catagories:
9 of 45 want 2 picks
12 of 45 want 3 picks
24 of 25 want 4 picks

14 of 45 want %16 WR
31 of 45 want %0 WR

Edited 8/10/2015 16:02:40

JSA and I recently made a template that would do better for 2v2 ladder than the current one - Greece 2v2. It is 0%SR, 4 picks each, 3 starting armies, 6 income. This is to make the bonuses of 1 less valueable, because it gives Turkey region a major buff.

Anyway, I doubt the 2v2 ladder template will be changed to anything like Guiroma, China, etc, but at the very least we should get 2 more picks on Final Earth, and 0% WR (I prefer 0% SR though).

I am pretty sure Fizzer wants the 2v2 ladder to be Earth based. I doubt we'd see Guiroma, China, etc. I am actually worried he won't make a europe 3v3 ladder because he would stray from that model of it always being the entire globe.

If you have a good template on Greece, maybe he'd consider it for a seasonal ladder though?

I suppose it being fully earth based is a bad idea. Maybe the template can change on the ladder every month but the rankings stay the same? I can tell you for sure that the 2v2 ladder teams will surpass 100 if it is China 2v2.

@Chris: I'm not promising anything, but I'm not opposed to calculating possible remainders as well in the future. It's basically exactly the same with defensive kills (70%) instead of offensive.

The file won't go away, so you can bookmark it for future reference.

I'll probably allow copying in the future as well.
EDIT: copying is allowed now.

Edited 8/11/2015 13:22:26

thanks. I'd love to see this in the wiki actually with those other charts, and proper credit given to you. This should be readily available to everyone.

LOL, just fell victim to a 12v8 attack that has a half percent chance of working (on 2v2 ladder). It completed a 4 bonus for them and also negated my blockade (which obviously would have only been a 4 anyway had the attack killed 7 like it should have). But, that is a net loss of 1 army + the 6-7 required to break the block that never happened + 4 for the bonus (which is really more since I cannot defend it in future turns).

Not sure it will decide the game or not, but that is a game changer for sure in an even match.


Tell me again why we want this to occur?

Edited 8/11/2015 16:12:41