im definitely in

Right now :) This is where I need the community to help me.

I need 19 Custom Scenario Balanced Diplomacy game! :)

I really appreciated it!

When we get the 19 Custom Scenario Game.. We will start the League!

Thank you to whoever will do this for me! :D

I love the idea of a diplo tournament! Count me in

I'm happy to make a scenario if you want, what kind of map/size do you want it to be? And exactly how balanced? I have a nice 14 player template here:

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=709881

If you want something like that I can make a 19 player version no problem, or if you want something more open-play (a rounder map) I can do that too, I could make a perfectly balanced one using a circular map if you want to keep it sterile?

19 is a difficult number to put into a perfectly symetrical system because it's prime. Do you think maybe you could make it 18 or 20, or even 21/24? If you want something with more variety though it won't be a problem.

EDIT: I quickly threw together a 19 player Diplo on a square map so you can see what I mean by something more sterile:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=715370

Edited 9/14/2015 09:21:11

I want to join

Well if Plat wants to add the late additions, I'm happy to make a any map, any size, keeping the number round can help too, not that it's necesserily important.

I am in a good mood today, Let them join!

Aslong It's ok with the scenario makers!

Fleecemaster I will let you decide :)

I have no knowledge on diplomacy game making so.. I wouldn't be the "Go to guy".

If you want a proper Diplomacy tournament, you should take some hints from the actual Diplomacy game. They had this stuff figured out. (Seriously, there have been more than 50 years of Diplomacy tournaments, and they've gone through all of this over and over until they found the best way to play.)

The basics:

1. Victory is worth a certain number of points (typically 12).

If one person wins, they get 12 points.

If the game ends in a VTE, then all surviving players split the points evenly. (This is really key: you don't get more points for being "stronger" or any such thing: if you want to prove your superiority over another player, you must eliminate them before the game ends.)

In other words, a game which ends with three players still alive grants them each 4 points, a game which ends with four players grants them each 3 points, and so on.

(A game should never end with just two players, since whoever is stronger should never agree to VTE.)

2. There is a victory condition which occurs prior to "finishing" the game:

Whenever a player controls more than 50% of the board's available income, they are declared the winner.

For instance, on a map with a total of 200/turn income, any player achieving a production of 101 or more is instantly declared the winner.

With light fog, this is easy. If you're using heavier fog, everyone will have to use a bit of an honour system (or the winner will have to demonstrate their income by deploying that number of troops where other players can see).

This rule is INCREDIBLY key to proper Diplomacy gameplay. It makes smaller countries important, because they can obtain leverage over other, larger countries by threatening to cede territory to the current largest country. (In Diplomacy games, small countries have a great deal of diplomatic leverage due to this rule.) It prevents a stale and unnecessary endgame. It promotes different types of strategies and eliminates "winning" coalitions from forming. And many other things. (I can explain further if people are curious.)

3. There are no "rules" concerning who can attack whom and "PE" status.

You may attack anyone at anytime and you can enter into an agreements you like, but they are never binding.

This allows a variety of strategies (agreement-following versus trust-building, just like in a Prisoner's Dilemma) rather than rewarding everyone for joining the largest coalition they can and ganging up on small prey.

It will also eliminate most of the problems people have with Diplomacy games. (For example? Let's say a player is frustrated with the game, thinks they're going to lose, or doesn't understand the rules, and they "break" a rule. Now they are a "PE", and everyone must attack them. The game is temporarily stalled while this goes on, and very likely a certain neighbour with good access to that country's bonuses benefits most - and likely goes on to win, although it had nothing to do with the skills they displayed in the game, making it highly unfair for everyone else.) (Again, I can go into greater detail on this point if there is interest; for now let me just say that this is a superior mode of play and will prevent most complaints people have about Diplomacy games.)

Sorry, can I join?

First of all thanks for the speech :)

Light fog was going to be the fog..

Rules? I think you are right!

Remember I am just getting the template from a very kind individual and I'm going to modify it to suit the league conditions.. So this will be very helpful :) Thanks.

Fleecemaster can I have your opinion? I did say the deadline is 10th of septemeber.. But more people want to join.. I want to make sure this isn't adding extra stress to you! Opinion?

Well, I don't feel any stress, so long as it's clear what you need...

Mostly all I need is the number of players, and how much flavour you want (ie. Historical/fantasy/simple)

From what Poireau is saying he is basically describing a FFA. Which is something I was considering making, a FFA tournement. I think this Diplo league should follow more similar to what a diplo means to Warlight community to differentiate from a FFA, in my opinion at least.

I own at FFAs, so I'm happy either way to be honest :P But if we're going with Diplomacy we should make all the rules very very clear. The point of diplos is to follow extra added rules, so anyone becoming PE deliberately should also be stripped of points and/or ejected from the league (if they don't un-PE themselves after 3 turns say, to keep it fair)

That's just my opinion though, the host of the league should make all the main decisions, I'm happy with anything and will only chip-in if I think there is a decision that might cause problems.

If someone else wants to make a scenario or thinks they would be a better choice than me (I'm sure there are plenty) then feel free to speak up too.

I would love to join

Can we have a list of competitors now please?

Right :)

1. huzaifa
2. Kretoma
3. A Talking Fan
4. Tjoex
5. Ω Cat Juggernaut (Tom's Guardian Angel)
6. OnlyThePie
7. natto
8. TBest
9. Ryzys
10. Mr.Legi
11. Arkanton
12. [ESP] Pablo García
13. Skapis9999+
14. nicg5003
15,Nico (TLN)
16.Regulus
17.[WOLF]SuperSiezure
18. Donald Trump
19. willc
20. Halofreak117
21. Death *coughs back*
22. The one and only ben
23. Phobos
24. Fleecemaster
Anyone I missed? I think I've miscounted. Let me know soon rather than later!

Edited 9/19/2015 15:54:11

I declare i must be in this. :)
I play my nation in each game without holding any grudge.
I am well good for this.

I would love to join too if I can?

Anyone I missed? I think I've miscounted. Let me know soon rather than later!

*cough*

Missed me I think

And I got a C in the highest level in maths... LOL!