https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=1137733542
Maybe his alt too?

Yes that one is mine, you have me figured out! gosh darn you are to good!

I don't think The Onion is the leader of The Royal Falcons.

interesting story that?!
I used to be their Prime Minister x) :)

maybe i am your hacker... maybe i hacked your groups and masked it so well that you thought it was someone else

Doesn't stick together. I invited MrNiceGuy :p

All of the sudden everything makes sense everyone in CORP is part of a conspiracy to get CORP hijacked every month to keep the clan relevant, as otherwise the drama level within the clan would fall apart and take the clan with it.

Semice is just the person who gets the ball rolling every month.

Edited 9/20/2015 20:51:47

Actually, CORP wants to avoid drama... but drama does not avoid us. It's how it is.

Or is it just wherever I go, there is drama. I was in the Falcons - SURPRISE! I'm in CORP - even more hijacks. I even had an alt in Wolves when Michael hijacked the clan, lol.

I think that no other clan our size would actually be able to keep their shit together, and regroup as efficiently and quickly as we have, without losing dozens of members. We lost about a dozen members in a matter of hours, but we have thankfully gained most of them back :)

They just didn't want to have a nazi icon next to their name.

@Death, well you are death, so maybe drama is your younger brother that you can't get away from

Actually, CORP wants to avoid drama... but drama does not avoid us. It's how it is.

Lol, I know how you feel.

@Ox: I'm not sure what went down this time, but the coups I've been through could've easily been avoided through sanity and common sense.

June coup: Angry Panda not giving everyone Manager Rights

July coup: Kazuki not giving Manager Rights to Achilles, someone he personally knew to be manipulative and someone who was inactive on Warlight and did not use Manager Rights at all

I don't think that CORP's "core" leadership (Panda, Kazuki, Death, Andres, etc.) really has the right to claim it does everything it can to prevent drama. As can be evidenced by looking at the clan page- which still has the Most Honorable Dojo for June- they don't really seem to do much and instead just hang around and take credit when things go well.

Well, Semice. I hate to say this, but it's true. Our "leader" has nominal value only. It has to be an oligarchy, because shit doesn't get done if we lead it to the "leader". We have never tried a "democratic" phase because we knew it'd never work. We once tried a "dictatorship" phase, and that didn't work out either. Oligarchy is best for CORP, although it leads the clan susceptible to hijacks.


Also, many in the clan are really beginning to doubt Kazuki's competence. I'm happy with him staying as the nominal leader, as long as the 4 Gunjikomon get stuff done, which it looks like they will, from this point forth.


Regarding that "Most honorouble dojo" thing, I am going to abolish it. It doesn't work out when there will always be two dojos. It will be replaced by a much more interactive, exciting dojo league, where the sub-dojos will all compete in a strategic league.

No we just have a rather inactive leader, not a selfish one.

We have two dojos for a reason. We need to separate strategic and diplomatic players to develop them separately. Managing a clan on its own this size proved to be very hard, so it's simplified using dojos.

yeah actually we were discussing about a kind of prime minister leading the gunjikomon oligarchy, but for now we havent found any decent leader, and the oligarchy of 4 people seems to work by far.

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"Also, many in the clan are really beginning to doubt Kazuki's competence."

If you need five other people with manager rights to run your clan for you, your competence as a leader should be questioned. Sure it is the owners 15 bucks spent and their choice but that kind of instability isn't appealing to people. If I were an average player looking for a clan I'd be looking for the clan that can provide the best community and game experience, constitutions etc take un-needed effort and offer little that actually is needed to function. Personally I take care of everything manager related within my clan, however if someone has a suggestion it is brought up for vote. Has worked rather well so far. Anyway if you guys need help with anything feel free to mail me.

Haha. Kazuki didn't spend any money. He hijacked it off of Lawlz.

Hint: Never try a clan democracy.

Democracy: only works when the people within are trustworthy enough and intelligent enough to each run a country together(case and point: Apex).

Oligarchy: Never works, as eventually the oligarchy members turn on each other for power

Dictatorship: Only works when the dictator has popular support, otherwise the country will fall apart.

I think the big misstep here is treating a clan as analogous to a government when a better analogy would be a corporation. Both clans and corporations are formed on the premise of delivering value to a flexible and transient set of members- while governments are instead formed on the premise of maintaining law/order/basic structure and function among a group of people that are generally immobile (i.e., not capable of switching countries often).

If you take that as your ground truth, you start building the structure that's most helpful when you want to deliver value to your members ("value" being defined as whatever your target member "market" wants).

Insofar as that's the case, there's no compelling reason for democracy- people who don't feel represented are free to leave at any time, after all, and democracies are rather inefficient in that they require people to do a lot of work (vote, stay informed, etc.) to ensure that they're represented. If you eliminate those constraints, suddenly you can make your system a whole lot more efficient without being that much less representative/appealing for your members.

A "dictatorship" is a great way to acknowledge the horrible way Fizzer's set up Manager Rights- it's the best way to guarantee stability, so if stability is what matters the most for your clan when delivering value (for example, if you're AWF and you want to guarantee that your belts will be operational all the time), then it's a great solution. However, a single-leader structure has the flaw that the single leader can't have a full understanding of what's going on or what needs to be done.

Multiple leader structures (hopefully with someone with slightly more power, to break split votes) are more capable of being creative and guaranteeing growth, but they also risk falling apart, especially if all leaders have Manager Rights.

It ultimately depends on what sort of "value" your clan's trying to deliver and how good your clan is at delivering said value.