That is incorrect. We did not refuse a rematch to French. I am fine to play it at anytime. I was under the impression that clans would be able to make up games where someone was booted off of picks. So I figured we should wait for official approval from the clan league committee to know for sure. They never gave their decision, but it seems games won't be made up officially. I am fine with making up the game now if you guys make it and invite us. We'll just give the link to Lolowut so he can adjust the scores based on it.

Fair enough, Miyagi; I didn't look through games, just was basing it off games I had been in.

So it seems that all 3 of the leading clans right now have suffered a couple boot losses. That's really disappointing to see. Hopefully this season was just a fluke, and it won't happen again. If this same thing happens next season, I think the clan league format needs to be changed in order to decrease boots. One idea would be to add 2 days banking boot time, so that players can avoid boots even if they go over the boot limit for a turn or two. It won't help with a Darkpie-type situation, but it would help on a lot of these boots where players missed by a few hours.

I agree with Phaeril that we need a set standard. Either no makeups or all makeups where players were booted on picks. This season, I am afraid it is too late to change. Next season, you need to make it clear at the start.

Darkpie was booted in 9 games at picking stage (not including the one Apex allowed us to make up already), and looks like 10-15 more in-game. For clarification, do we make up the 9 games he was booted in at the picking stage? If this is the case, the rankings will need to be changed quite a bit. Especially if other clans have the same issue of getting booted on picks. Should we just make the games, and create with a replacement for Darkpie?

we discussed as a panel and all agreed to do them during pick stage

I was curious about Chris' quote there; I didn't realize we were allowed to make up all games done in the picking stage. I never saw an official post in this thread allowing these games to be made up. Should we consider this official that all clans can make up games where a player was booted in games after picks? Will this just apply to Group A, or all groups?

Edited 1/15/2016 21:41:03

I don't know if this is the best place to post this idea and the reasoning behind it, but I think it could be interesting solution for CL as well, so here goes :

My clan's focus is on team games,and we all enjoy big team games which are, due to all kinds of limitations mostly slow even by multiday standards,boot-prone, and largely unexplored in a strategic sense. It's normal, organizing a lot of people at a certain time, even multiday is always a challenge. While we feel there would be enough interest in the community to warrant a big team clan-based competitive events or even a "league", the above mentioned problems would surely hamper any such event.

The best we can do at this time is make RR tournaments (like the ones in CL), pick the team and hope for the best when it comes to activity. Such a competition (and the likes of team games in CL) as you know,can span for months on end and it's unrealistic to expect just an occasional boot.
The boots are a part of the game though,and unless you go for 1-person-runs-3-accounts (which sorta defeats the purpose of team games), they are not going away.

So, why don't we make boots less frequent and more strategic?

It's fairly simple, what if we could have more people in a team roster for a tournament than the games are played with? The bench with subs, if you will.

The options are numerous - you would,as a team, have to choose whom to field for each game(phase could have the same time limit as a regular turn) - generally you would take into account whom you expect to be there for the full duration of the next game - as opposed to the whole tournament. You could have an option to HAVE TO use all the players (be it equal number of times, or not, for each player) That way you'd have to also choose whom you field against who, another strategic decision.

You could additionally even have an option of one of the "subs" taking over for a teammate in an ongoing game(certain limited number of times per game and per tourney could be customizable options). This way you can avoid the same person playing multiple accounts - as CL would like to keep no-alt rule, I imagine - while eliminating boot factor AND the need for remakes.

So, in conclusion : I think implementing this idea would involve more people in tourneys/leagues, lower number of boots, avoid remakes and could even add to strategy.


Now, I have no idea how difficult it would be to code and implement this, or if Fizzer would be interested at all in any of this, so apologies if I am being too idealistic.
Also,ignore me if this has been suggested before.

as far as i can see this suggesting is way too complicated for a league like the clan league. i doubt Chris or someone else is willing to take all the extra work. also i don't see how this solves the boot Problem. maybe you won't lose a whole tournament because of one Player, but you lose the game that started before anyways. replacements before a game started should be possible anyways.

Maybe i got you wrong. if so, correct me please.

It's something Fizzer would need to do, not Chris. The benefit is it's all systematic this way, no remakes. And there is a suggestion of sub taking over for booted guy in there ^ so,yeah. It would all but eliminate the impact of boots, team games would still be team games and tourney would run smooth.

Plus, the use is much wider than CL, I just posted it in here as it seemed to solve all the problems CL is experiencing with boots as well.

I don't think any official declaration for make up was done. In fact we need a set standard and this is not possible if the Clan War already started. This will be done correctly for the next one.

"Either no makeups or all makeups where players were booted on picks." Yes it's my way of thinking to avoid unfairness, and it's the most important. But, I'm for no makeups personally. Boots are a part of the game, you have 3 days autoboot and the holiday's mode. Teams should focus on choose players that can play their games on time and not ask to replacement match.

The only kind of replacement game I would is for random win (when all players get booted and one ot theim get the win by random).

I advise organizers to not officially allow make-up to avoid a massive wave of replacement matches (20% ?), and above all do not give the choice to the winner (--> unfairness). Either no makeups or all makeups where players were booted on picks.

Nevertheless, if a new insane wave of make-up come, I will ask to FC players to make-up their games (against GG, against Lynx, and for all games De Gaulle got booted in picks). If not, we will not ask to Lynx a make up. But do will have to replay games against Darkpie seriously ?

I am of the same opinion as Phaeril, but whatever is decided there should be official rules published for the next season to avoid such problems. Same for the XS/One! issue.

Edited 2/1/2016 05:39:29

So if we have to vote : FC vote for no remake any game the next season.

Boot is part of game, we must accept it and take care to who we accept in the line up.

Yes. Of course this is for the next one. The rules will be cleared and we will have the best CW ever with a good level and without this durty boot wave ! ;) Take care of your line-up guys.

For this one, we will make up all games where a player got boot in picks, but only with the same players for the two teams: a line-up was decided at the beginning of the Clan War, and we will replay the same game who should be played without boot.

No remake for this season or the next. You're booted? That's too bad for you ... next game...

Don't take care about what Ze has said. We will do the rematch this season but only with all same player.
But he is right, next season we will not accept any remake.

JSA, this message is for you :

We accepte remake (this season, and one more time only this season, next one we don't do any remake) but we accept only with the same player ! So please don't do remake with another player than Darkpie. We are sorry for you that he gone inactive but it's not our problem. You make a rooster at the begun, you have to play with it !

FC hope you anderstand us about this.

Same can be said about chickens.

JSA, this message is for you :

We accepte remake (this season, and one more time only this season, next one we don't do any remake) but we accept only with the same player ! So please don't do remake with another player than Darkpie. We are sorry for you that he gone inactive but it's not our problem. You make a rooster at the begun, you have to play with it !

FC hope you anderstand us about this.

I actually don't understand. A clan (Lynx) allows the other clan (French) to make up a 3v3 game in which French's player had time to make picks, and just missed the boot limit. Meanwhile, a Lynx player goes completely inactive, possibly having something seriously bad happen to him in real life, is booted from a 2v2 game at picks, and the French clan refuses to remake the game.

i think all clans can accept or not, to remake game and if FC are affraid to lose and don t want, they can :)

I have a solution for everybody. We don't take into account the remake.
We have officiel tournaments, so we have the placing of Clan League!

Easy no ? It's like a game...euh ... Warlight no ?

Edited 1/24/2016 09:50:00

Ok JSA. Let's vote the end on the 3v3 remake. And no more remake for us.

Darkpie was on 4 tournament, are you realyse how many game you got to remake ?! For me remake was a favor for one or two game. Not something to start a new clan league.

Edited 1/24/2016 10:11:30

I accidentally clicked on this thread, and just look at this page. Its like a deja vu.