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New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/4/2016 10:57:48


Aerial Assault 
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Please institute the option to return to the old cards. By the way, where did changing the card art rank on uservoice?
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/4/2016 17:17:04


ChrisCMU 
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I don't think it was a requested feature at all, just something Fizzer decided to do.

I have no problem with the new cards (after he put colors and abbreviations on them), but I think he should use common abbreviations as suggested in this thread (like OD and OP not PRI and DEL...or whatever they are now).

Edited 2/4/2016 17:17:31
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/4/2016 20:47:38


Shinobi
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Still prefer the old cards, the pictures just don't fit and I don't like the style it brings to the game. Also still prefer the Abandon card over Emergency Blockade.
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/6/2016 16:11:56

Red Λrmy 
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I'm a quite late to the party but yeah, here's my two cents and then some.

TL;WR: I don't like the designs and I think we should have the option to choose. I made cards (see below).



I've know I've probably been wasting my train journeys this week lol, but at least I can say I done all I possibly could. I'm sorry, but I've never liked the designs introduced in recent updates, to the point that when I saw comments to produce our own, I decided to do just that. I finally finished my attempt and I know I haven't created great work, but I'm no designer or artist despite what I may or may not have told people on the train who asked me what I was doing...

The point I wanted to make was to use a more distinct colour palette and show that there's a more minimalist approach to adding detail to the older, perfectly acceptable cards. Some of the current 'new card' artwork is good, but the horribly drawn cartoon people in most of the images are painfully irritating to look at; I really wish I didn't hate it but unfortunately I do, and I'm far from the only one. Some of them don't even make sense. I'm not saying to scrap the artwork that's been paid for. There is clearly a small minority who do like it. However a popular opinion has been to let us choose our own cards. Please make this an account setting, and if you wish to include my designs below too, please, be my guest. Though if that's ever a strong possibility, I do think there's still considerable room for improvement. I didn't give them much time or thought when I set out. Just whatever came to mind. That's the easy bit said; next comes the hard truth.


Fizzer, you may not wish to spend time developing the option to choose a card design. All I can say to that is, not long ago, every single idea on uservoice seemed to take lower priority than this. Why should this change, when only a small minority is content with the changes? It's not really sufficient enough to move on. I wonder about if you had instead previewed the cards for us and then heard the responses against it; I like to believe you wouldn't have updated them without also bringing us the option to let us choose our preferred design. Or you'd at least have gone back to the designer with feedback. I'm going to speculate quite strongly that this update upset far more people than it helped. I doubt the old cards were deterring anyone. It didn't need to be disturbed, only it was, but if we are given this option we can at least walk away with no downside, and we can all happily move on to the updates we want to see. Hopefully, uservoice still has a greater part to play in that than it has as of late.

Sorry if it reads like a rant; it's hard to convey the tone but I'm trying to be helpful and constructive rather than just spew hate. I look forward to a response to this repeatedly suggested request, but I personally will not be creating a uservoice suggestion. There are enough ideas there as it is, and as far as I'm concerned, this update is already in motion; it just hasn't been finished yet. There's no rush, but it would be nice to see this implemented inside of a month or two.

P.S. Whilst I was at it, I also redesigned the commanders. It was easy enough and I also didn't have much love for the pixelated man in... sunglasses??

N.B. Designed with vector graphics, and so fully editable. In theory the image could be any size, but was sized to fit the forum. If you wish, take a closer look here: http://s15.postimg.org/6p84uivw9/WL_Designs_Large.png

P.P.S. Abandon is probably best, but surely there's a name that is clearer and less of a mouthful than Emergency Blockade? Instant blockade?? If it's ok to be as long as Em-er-gen-cy Blockade, then Pri-o-ri-ty Blockade is just as long but is a thousand times clearer and more relevant. That's just one last thing to maybe consider.
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/6/2016 17:19:26


ChrisCMU 
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Those cards look sweet
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/6/2016 18:56:59

SVY
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Brilliant job, Red Army. Simple yet elegant artwork. However, the art on the order delay card is vague - doesn't suggest its purpose. Perhaps have a general standing and holding out a restraining hand - palm backwards - to a group of soldiers massed behind him?
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/6/2016 19:01:17


Cata Cauda
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I love those cards!
Red Army I must admit you did a great job with those. I wish Fizzer would use your card design instead, because they look amazing!
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/6/2016 21:24:04


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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Your cards are meh. To dark for my liking.

I'm not saying to scrap the artwork that's been paid for.


I think we don't know Fizzer paid for it. I wouldn't be surprised if Fizzer met the guy and suggested the dude could do some work on the site, so the dude could have some previous work on a resume. (For free)

However a popular opinion has been to let us choose our own cards. Please make this an account setting, and if you wish to include my designs below too, please, be my guest.


no matter how many sets of cards Fizzer puts in people will always want more sets, just because they have the option

Alternatively Warlight could use pictures from your computer. (But would take time to implement)

Fizzer, you may not wish to spend time developing the option to choose a card design. All I can say to that is, not long ago, every single idea on uservoice seemed to take lower priority than this. Why should this change, when only a small minority is content with the changes?


I hope he doesn't. (For at least the moment) updating the single player templates so newbies know what all the settings do, so when they play a new game not knowing what a setting does to keep new players playing Warlight. That didn't change I don't think there was a uservoice for new cards. Also it's hard to know what the community thinks when only like 1% of the players on WL are on the forums (or even know it exists.)

It's not really sufficient enough to move on. I wonder about if you had instead previewed the cards for us and then heard the responses against it; I like to believe you wouldn't have updated them without also bringing us the option to let us choose our preferred design. Or you'd at least have gone back to the designer with feedback.


I doubt Fizzer has moved on. I bet he would of just made it those cards (redone a little) with no option to let you choose your own idea. I also bet Fizzer is still talking to the artist about redoing some cards.

Sorry if it reads like a rant; it's hard to convey the tone but I'm trying to be helpful and constructive rather than just spew hate.


only some of it was a rant.

I look forward to a response to this repeatedly suggested request, but I personally will not be creating a uservoice suggestion. There are enough ideas there as it is,


Why not? You'll only get a response faster (and then Fizzer can see how many people want them)

Also why would we need different commanders? (Other then diplos)
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/7/2016 00:44:41

Red Λrmy 
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@ChrisCMU @SVY @Cata Cauda

That's really nice of you guys to say; I thought some of them were quite naff lol. Not a complete waste of time then if at least someone likes it :)

SVY, I should go back and do something different with some of these... the order delay is one of them. Ideas were far and in-between with that one.


@MightySpeck

That's ok you don't like them. Didn't expect most people to. If it's just the darkness of them though, the beauty of SVG graphics is that I can recolour almost anything and everything! It's really great software. My main point though was about a setting for our preferred design. I only thought a third choice would be nicer than just the two.

I disagree that people would demand more and more card sets... lots of games with cards have deck options and people just pick their preferred design. Otherwise I'd have been complaining to Microsoft years ago about those lame Solitaire decks lol. Again I only wanted to provide a somewhat decent third choice here.

I hope the artist is still potentially available to redo some of the designs. I thought in a live stream Fizzer mentioned an artist had been hired for the cards, but I may have assumed it completely. I hope I'm wrong there and it was free; I had assumed the artist may not redo previously agreed upon work without charging Fizzer once again.

I agree the entire player base's opinion is hard to gauge, but of those in the forums, it seemed pretty clear the majority opinion was a preference for the old cards. Regardless, a setting to choose your preference satisfies everyone. I know that Fizzer would have to take time away from something to bring us this, but that's true whether Fizzer does it now or a year from now. If it happens now it's a positive response to feedback whilst we're in this 'new card' transitional phase. If it happens later though, people will only complain about update priorities. If it's going to happen (and it would please a lot of us right now if it did), Fizzer would need to take a short break from single player templates, and do it soon I'm afraid. That's what I meant by this update already being in motion, and not wanting Fizzer to move on to the next update just yet. It's also why I don't think it's worthwhile to put on uservoice; I'm only suggesting this whilst it's relevant and currently desired by a lot of people. Six months from now I wouldn't dream of it, but we'd all be disappointed it never happened earlier when it should've. That time is pretty much now really.

You're right; new card designs weren't on uservoice. Yet they happened anyway. We can accept that much, but I personally feel the update is just one setting shy of complete.

I guess you're also right that some of it was a rant... it's why I felt I needed to apologise. Persuasive writing is hard... maybe sometimes you have to rant a teeny weeny bit to try make a point? I'm sorry once more because I've probably just done it again...

P.S. Yes multiple designs for Commanders only have real use in diplomacy games I suppose. Commander preference setting is a nice touch I thought could be coded similarly to a card design preference. If nothing else, please take my General design and replace the current Commander! I don't like him and his sunglasses :/
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/7/2016 01:34:58


Fleecemaster 
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I also don't understand why the commander is not vector graphics, it looks horribly out of place :/
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/7/2016 08:28:39

wct
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However, the art on the order delay card is vague - doesn't suggest its purpose. Perhaps have a general standing and holding out a restraining hand - palm backwards - to a group of soldiers massed behind him?

How about people waiting in ambush? Or the classic, "Hold your fire until you can see the whites of their eyes. Wait for it...." commander holding up his hand with guys behind him ready to fire/charge.
[BTW: Great cards, Red Army!]
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P.P.S. Abandon is probably best, but surely there's a name that is clearer and less of a mouthful than Emergency Blockade? Instant blockade?? If it's ok to be as long as Em-er-gen-cy Blockade, then Pri-o-ri-ty Blockade is just as long but is a thousand times clearer and more relevant. That's just one last thing to maybe consider.

Good suggestions.]

Edited 2/7/2016 08:31:10
New Cards Design - Update 2: 2/8/2016 14:43:14

Red Λrmy 
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I think it's better... is it quite what you had in mind?

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