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Strategies on Challenge 2: 9/13/2009 17:31:28

Fizzer 
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No, the AI currently does not know how to use abandon cards.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 9/16/2009 15:24:02


Barney Stinson 
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hmm ive tried challenge two so many times, and ive come to the conclusion its impossible as long as the computer gets 3x as many reinforcement cards as i do. the best ive done was when i was making like 80 armis a turn.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 9/18/2009 05:05:13


mor 
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On the sixth day of the third age, it was shown that the tyranny of the five southern nations could be broken.

Beware of the Parthian upon the white horse, luring and striking from afar.
Shun the Brigand upon the red horse, spreading strife and discord.
Guard against the Emperor upon the black horse, enacting law and levy.
Know of the Rider upon the pale horse, with injury, hunger, and illness he comes for us all.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 9/18/2009 11:27:21

Fizzer 
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Congratulations mor! You're the first one to beat it.

And right above your post is someone calling it impossible. You sure showed him :)

Strategies on Challenge 2: 9/19/2009 09:27:41


Doushibag 
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On the second day of the third age, it was shown that the vowels of the five great alpha-bits could be eaten.

Court the U's upon the white milk, they're magically delicious.
Embrace the O's upon the red cheeries, it's a honey of an O.
Abandon E's against the dark raisin, kid tested, mother approved.
Forget the A's upon the pale bowl, you'll forget the fiber.
Savor the I's hidden in white, they're grrreat!

Strategies on Challenge 2: 9/19/2009 13:17:26


Gaia 
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Congrats to both Doushi and Mor! I have not tried the revised challenge 2 yet, but heard rumors the white horse-riding Parthians and particularly the red cheerie-riding O's were nearly impossible to beat. Fantastically done!

Strategies on Challenge 2: 10/25/2009 20:31:11


Doushibag 
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I see in the change logs you tweaked challenge 2 again (easier). Are the people who were able to beat version 3 going to get any visible recognition on the single player section compared with those beating version 4 (or later..)? How many people were able to beat version 3 before you changed it?

Strategies on Challenge 2: 10/25/2009 21:44:50

Fizzer 
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Yes, this post will be visible for the rest of time and will stand as visual recognition. Let it be known henceforth that mor and Dousibag beat Challenge 2 with each of the three starting territories initially starting with 5 armies. (they now start with slightly more, making the challenge a tad easier.)

Strategies on Challenge 2: 11/6/2009 21:53:23


Gaia 
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How about making a new Challenge 2 with the difficulty level right in between the current Challenge 1 difficulty level, and the previous Challenge 2 difficulty that both mor and Doushibag beat. Then we could keep the older Challenge 2 and rename it something like "Challenge 3" or perhaps something more interesting like: "Challenge for the Exceptionally Gifted" or "The Insanity Challenge"

It seems that there's enough difference in between those two levels to warrant another one, and it would be nice to keep the more difficult Challenge 2 version that mor and Doushi beat. I only tried it a couple times but knowing it is beatable is worth keeping it and I would like to try it again at some point....

Strategies on Challenge 2: 12/2/2009 23:16:34


mor 
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I desired Randy to reinstate challenge 2 version 3, but I did not want to voice my opinion without seeing if version 4 was a better game, and I never got around to attempting it. Once Elucidar was victorious at version 4, I knew version 3 was most likely gone for good. My interest as to the difficulty difference between the two versions was perked, however, and so I replayed challenge 2.

Version 4 is much easier than version 3, but this is a good thing. Now I cannot talk for Doushibag, who holds the record for version 3 at 33 turns, but I found version 3 a painful exercise of endurance. It probably took me 5-6 hours of playing version 3 before I beat it. It took multiple restarts and I found I needed to take breaks every hour or so, to let my mind refresh, so that I would not make a large mistake.

Version 4 is much better, if you understand the tactics to use against the AI's, and turn number is not of paramount imoportance to you, you probably only need to restart once or twice. This reduces the time commitment to less than two hours. Those few extra units at the beginning let the game be less about luck and restarting the game, and more about strategy. Version 4 is also still suitably difficult, that a player's victory over it stands as a testament to their skill.

Elucidar, I congratulate you on your victory over challenge 2.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 12/4/2009 10:34:53


Doushibag 
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Well since you cannot talk for Doushibag, I will. I will tell you it was no easy task and I took great measures to meet the challenge and to eventually overcome it. Knowing that I was up against the five great alpha-bits I knew I must call upon five of my own sages to help me in overcoming the challenge.

I met with an old english teacher of mine, who was now a professor at a respected college. I had respected and admired him and grown to know him a little during my grade school years. We spent a little bit of time catching up where he told me of his summer trip for a month to India that inspired him to write a book. He told me briefly of the interesting culture there and how after having written the book, which was also published there, that he learned more of the great respect for writers and overall larger readership that the Indian culture has. Writing the book is what helped him to gain credit to begin being a professor where he came to appreciate the more inherit level of interest that his students had at the college level. After catching up I told him of the tough challenge before me and we got more serious and intellectual. He didn't hesitate long before he began to remind me of all the learning and teaching methods he had once tried to teach me of which I wasn't fully receptive to at the time. I came to appreciate them more and we spent time on the new lessons and methods he had learned and how these could be applied to overcoming the challenge before me. It was time well spent and was good to catch up with him.

I next met up with my martial arts instructor who I'd trained with before years ago. I knew if I was to overcome this challenge I was going to need to be in top physical form for superior mind and body. I told him of my situation and he humbly accepted the honor of being the one that could well serve me. We spent time together where I trained to increase my strength and endurance and to better connect my mind and body.

Next I met up with an older European friend of my, a Scotsman who never missed the opportunity to remind me of what a true Scotsman would and would not ever do. He was a teacher of Go and had once introduced me to the game and taught me the basics. He was originally into Chess as it was more commonly played where he grew up and took pride in his skill as he developed. He got to be a high level amateur, but before going pro he learned of Go and was highly intrigued and interested in the game. He learned the game and continued to play it. He was noticed for his high level of skill despite his being relatively new to the game and was accepted into a dojo in Korea where he trained under a local master and with others who seeked to master the game. He went pro in the game and is ranked a very respectable 5p at the school. He didn't have a lot of time, but us being good friends from the past he couldn't pass up the opportunity to help. He got his board and stones and we sat for a game. With each move we talked and discussed. He taught me of the strategies, principals, and tactics which had served him well and guided him in his learning process. I lost the game as he was far better than I, but gained so much. I thanked him much for his time and knowledge and we parted ways once again.

I next met with my qigong teacher. I didn't attend sessions with her anymore as I had begun performing the practice on my own, but had still not mastered the art. I told her of the challenge before me and seeing how I would need spiritual energy beyond just the normal physical energy and always appreciating the opportunity to help someone further master the art she agreed to assist me. We spent several sessions together where she helped me to remove the bad habits I had developed on my own and helped me to restore and build up the energy I would need for the challenge ahead. This also helped me to improve my personal practice of the art even further and helped me to reach a new level.

Having worked on my physical, mental, and spiritual energies and spending time intellectually with people who understood the strategical and tactical challenge before me I knew I was mostly ready, but I had one more sage to visit. My people who were already aware of my situation had graciously permitted me an audience with one of the elders. Through meeting him I was to complete my preparations seeking final words of wisdom and spiritual blessings. This meeting was a great honor to me and filled me with joy.

I slept well that night knowing the time was near for me to take on the challenge I had prepared so much for. I woke up refreshed and energized. I took my morning shower and exited to a delicious aroma. I dressed and walked into the kitchen. My wife had prepared a morning meal for me and her timing was as great as ever. She set my drink by my plate as I entered and exited the kitchen. I sat on the stool to eat and as I ate my mind began to brew with all the thoughts and lessons I'd learned. I knew I was set to take the challenge. Shortly after I finished eating and drinking my drink my wife returned into the kitchen. She looked at me, set her hand gently upon mine, smiled, and kissed my forehead. She then picked up my plate and walked to the sink. She hadn't said a word since yesterday afternoon. It was with her confidence and blessing that I knew it was time for me to take on the challenge.

I got up and headed to the computer where my challenge awaited me. I loaded the challenge, studied the challenge, and made my attempts to defeat the challenge. It was a tough time and with each defeat I took what I had learned and knew I had not lost, but gained and was increasingly closer to the elusive victory. It was a long and tough journey, hours later victory was still not in hand, but giving up was not an option. I continued in my attempts trying to improve with each one until I had exceeded all previous attempts and was doing better than I had ever done before. I began to feel good about my odds. I took great measures and pains to make each move my best and didn't belittle any small matter on the field of battle. I had learned the flaws of overconfidence. Though I felt so close to victory the battle went on and it was not without its further dips and unexpected behavior. I was mentally and physically tired, but was sure victory was near. I suppressed my enemies and they began to fall and so soon after I was once struggling did I clearly have the upper hand. My enemies were weak and defeated and I joyfully cleansed their remains from the field of victory. I was overjoyed at my accomplishment but also drained and fatigued. I wanted to share the news. I went first to my wife, a woman I love and who was nearest. Overjoyed I proceeded to make short, but intense love to my beautiful wife with the little energy I had left. I then rolled over and passed out exhausted. Still desiring to share the news with others, but not the energy to do it. I awoke the next morning rejuvenated, but not entirely recovered. I still longed to share news of my victory and headed to the Warlight boards where I knew some would see and appreciate it. I chose my words and let people know of what I'd done and in my own way the pride I felt. After adequately informing fellow Warlighters I took a brief break and then proceeded to go about informing all those who had assisted me of my victory and again thanked them for their part. It was a great experience and one which improved my life in many ways. For life without challenge is no life at all and I had just experienced life greatly for the time. That is my story of how I beat challenge 2, what it took, and what it did for me.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 12/5/2009 14:24:11


Ruthless 
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My story is a little shorter;

I woke up. Rolled out of bed and hopped on my computer and tried to beat it but failed...

I'm sure I'll be able to do it if I devote a couple of days attempting to beat it.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 12/6/2009 14:17:32


Doushibag 
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Well if you have not yet beat it and you are to then your story is not yet over. And as stories go they tend to be longer once they are finished.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 12/21/2009 10:39:34


mor 
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That is quite the epic story Doushibag.

I mentioned in another thread that the lower limit of challenge 2 might be 28 turns. I was wrong about this. The lower limit is at least 26 turns, as I have just achieved a victory of 27 turns while making some absent minded mistakes, and having AI3 amazingly anticipate and block my expansion on three occasions. Also, AI4 did not attack an abandon I set for him; thanks for making the AI at least somewhat unpredictable Randy. That said, I also enjoyed some good fortune in the game with a cumulative luck of ~+20.

Since Ruthless did start this thread looking for strategies for obtaining a victory on challenge 2, I will give you this hint.
In my most recent game the last time AI1 played a card was turn 18.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 12/23/2009 23:08:15


Ruthless 
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that is quite amazing mor.

And thanks for that hint.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 1/5/2010 05:19:39


protagoras007 
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The lower limit of challenge 1 is at least 22, as that is my current score.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 1/5/2010 14:58:32


Ruthless 
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actually, the lowest so far is 20 which was accomplished by Mor. But 22 is really good! I can't imagine beating that fast. I beat it in 33 and haven't tried since.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 1/21/2010 17:09:14


mor 
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I would like to apologize for my previous post in this thread, I just went back and read it, and it is a bit more than pretentious.

Elucidar, I do not know if you are still trying to decrease your turn number on challenge 2, but based on your current turn number I would say you are only two operational level moves away from a victory in the upper 20s.

Randy, I am sure you were going to continue to do this, but please post whenever a new player achieves victory on challenge 2.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 2/22/2010 17:16:19


The Man
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hey hey, just beat challenge 2. about time. that thing is a beast. 40 turns. strategy is all about timing your confrontation with AI in certain choke points when abandon cards are up.

Strategies on Challenge 2: 2/22/2010 21:19:24

Fizzer 
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Nicely done, The Man! You're the 8th person to beat it.

Ashmizen holds the record for beating it in the fewest turns. Challenge 2 is the only level that mor doesn't hold the record on!

26 ashmizen
27 mor
33 Doushibag
36 Elucidar
44 Dr. Kabamf
44 The Man
47 Devil's Crank
63 General Sticky Pants

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