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Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 3/30/2016 16:50:36


master of desaster 
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That's exactly what makes him great. He deserves a trophy for his entertainment
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 3/30/2016 17:24:04


Kenny • apex 
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Widzisz kept playing 1v1 ladder games with me until he up and vanished again ;/ Seriously good player who plays very interesting games.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 3/30/2016 17:29:54


TeamGuns
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That's exactly what makes him great. He deserves a trophy for his entertainment


Boston is a monument. Without him, warlight would lose 10% of fun.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 3/30/2016 17:31:31


Jefferspin 
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Krzychu imo.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 3/30/2016 22:15:16

JSA 
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I personally would say Widzisz. He was one of the strongest opponents I've ever faced on Strategic 1v1, and it was quite surprising to me that he never took #1.

Yeon and Fath are also both very strong players who are good enough to not only take #1, but also hold it for a while. There's also a few more older players like Salah that I don't know as well, but from what I've heard of them, could have easily taken #1 if they had another (or first) shot at it. Dunga also comes to mind, as I believe that Timinator took #1 on his account, but dunga never actually did. Dunga was one of the most creative Strategic 1v1 players I've ever seen and was possibly the best at Strategic 1v1 when he retired, despite never taking #1.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 3/30/2016 22:47:20


Ox
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Off stats, I think Guriga got the highest rating without ever taking #1, but highest rating doesn't mean most skill

https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=6687
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 3/30/2016 23:04:15


Legi
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i agree with Ox from my point of view. i have taken place 31 with a score of 1885.. today that would be place 46.

The old WR template rating was hard... with 2000 points you are lucky to be in the top 30
(the thread about the inflation of the ladder, if forgot who started it, was fun for me)

back to my discussion. i started 1 month after the new SR ladder was started, if was easy for me to climb. now its harder.. 100 pints harder. and after a half year that ill be maybe 200 points.

well, what i wan to say?

old o the new template, whats the condition?
we should separate it.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/9/2016 01:58:30


[WM] Anonymous 
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I am.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/9/2016 06:27:08


Master Turtle 
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Times have changed Red, I doubt it, but I'd love to see you try :P
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/9/2016 06:31:08

Welsh Knight
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I side with NZ phoneus hes cool gentleman.
It looks like he didn't want to play anymore, like he wanted to do somethings else, and the yellow was stalling.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/14/2016 12:08:38


Beren Erchamion 
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We can cross Verzehrer off this list - he just took #1. Congrats!
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/14/2016 15:30:09


Ace Windu 
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Hard to say who's best from Wid, Yeon, fatih, krzychu and more i'm forgetting but i would probably give it to Wid. He was a fantastic 1v1 player, one of the strongest I've played. Fatih is also extremely strong and over a very long time period as well.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/25/2016 18:21:22


Wally Balls 
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me
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/25/2016 19:04:03


Widzisz • apex 
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not me
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/29/2016 19:39:33


TBest 
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@MathWolf, Agree, Yeon has the analytical capability to have complete control over everything. (He had full control in 7v7 nations league for example.)

1v1 ladder is a no match for him, if he invests time into it.

Also, I doubt you are the worst 1v1 gold trophy holder. Top#30 is not that bad. I am confident you can beat Fizzer, for example. (No offense fizz, but you took the trophy way back. Think you will have a hard time in the current field.)
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/29/2016 19:48:52


Ox
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For weakest person to get the trophy, perhaps Troll. He is way more rusty than Fizzer, and semi inactive, and Fizzer had a (slightly) higher peak than Troll in terms of rating.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/29/2016 20:01:42


The Dalek
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Also, I doubt you are the worst 1v1 gold trophy holder. Top#30 is not that bad. I am confident you can beat Fizzer, for example. (No offense fizz, but you took the trophy way back. Think you will have a hard time in the current field.)

If Fizzer is looking for a new moderator soon then I can handle the power.
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/30/2016 13:05:35


Math Wolf 
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Also, I doubt you are the worst 1v1 gold trophy holder. Top#30 is not that bad. I am confident you can beat Fizzer, for example. (No offense fizz, but you took the trophy way back. Think you will have a hard time in the current field.)

Fizzer is 4-2 against me in 1v1, although I won the last 2.

I do think some people underestimate the skill of the people getting 1st place in the old days of the ladder. Most of them didn't specifically train for the 1v1 ladder and were able to play on very different templates.

Stalling to get number 1 was less pronounced as it is/was during recent years, so most people who got to number 1 were at least top 5 at the time they got it. The truly weakest number 1's were probably the early stallers around 2012 and 2013 whose names nobody remembers simply because they were not worthy of that first place anyway.

Of course, if you compare the level of number 1's in 2011 to the level number 1's in 2016 at this moment, the 2011 bunch is a lot weaker, mainly because many of them haven't played for many years. But that's a bad comparison. In that case, I would also better than almost all top players now if you would compare our level in 2011 which is not fair either.
Think of the sports, for example basketball analogy: is Kobe or LeBron (or my man Durant) better than Jordan? Are the Jordan Bulls better than the Warriors or the Spurs this year? People want to compare, but it's not possible: it's a different time with different rules with a lot of factors playing a role, which for WL include template, number of players, members/non-members playing, more ladders, etc.
So, if we would do a big tournament with all ladder number 1's at this moment, I agree Troll may be (one of) the weakest. But if you'd do a basketball tournament at this moment with all the MVP's (or something similar) at this moment, Jordan wouldn't win either.

So to see who's good or bad, you'd need to compare their level to the level of the field at that time. So to finish my analogy with basketball.
* Impaller would be Bill Russell, completely dominating, even obliterating the field for a long time in the old days.
* Heyheuhei would be Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, a long carreer and probably the longest time in the top 3 / top 5 / top 10 in the history with regular first places, but not at a Russell level.
* Gui and Timinator might be a little like Michael Jordan. Being able to absolute dominate, but also trying other things in between and then returning at a later time and get number 1 again.
* And I guess I'm like Paul Pierce or Jason Kidd. Clearly not the top, got that title once during a particular good run, but a long carreer at a pretty decent level, occassionally beating some good players and losing against bad players. :-)
* Troll and Fizzer would be like Paul Arizin or Bob Petitt. Great players that got the title once in the olden days. But are they better or worse than say Klay Thompson, Chris Bosh or Kahwi Leonard, to name a few, I think it's impossible to compare although many will try.

Edited 4/30/2016 13:24:13
Best 1v1 Ladder player who's never reached #1: 4/30/2016 19:25:57


Jefferspin 
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I love that analogy Math. Nicely done.
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