Why take the lesser of 2 evils, when you can just throw both away?

I agree with your article but you can't throw Nationalism away. It is ingrained in all to a certain degree

Criminals wouldn't be able to seek refuge in other countries.

This isn't always good a criminal can be anyone the state dosen't agree with / goes against then. (Edward Snowden).

Yea I guess. But smart criminals will always be able to "disapear", the world is huge, and snowden is smart. But for common criminals who used to run to mexico for impunity, wouldn't be able to do so in a world gvt.

Guys I love you! Now everyone has been quoted in this thread, the picture is complete.

I didn't mean to offend modern belgians, who seem to be pretty nice people. Calling belgians who killed 30 million people "Pricks", "Dickheads", [insert another deragatory term here] isn't meant as an insult to modern belgians, but specifically those murderous belgians from a few hundred years ago.

Mind you if I told you I used the past tense in my sentences and not the present tense. I was completely referring to the past though, not with the modern,nice Belgian people today.

#PoorBelgium #SoSad #PoorBelgiumButOnlyTheSouthCauseTheNorthIsFilledWithNationalistPricks

You better #PrayForBelgium

<That's ye joke, don't quote me seriously on that>

<insert ironic comment here>

Idk why Belgium is even a thing. My family is from there, so I like it, but the bottom half should just join France, and the northern half the Netherlands.

The problem here in Belgium is that it is a too hell of politics to split up. Mind the bureaucracy and the high financial costs for both regions if the country would split. Also I see that you have Belgian ancestry. That makes you pretty damn cool. Can I ask you from which part of the country your family is from?

Come oooon SCOOOOOOOOOOTLAAAAAAAAND!

Come oooon SCOOOOOOOOOOTLAAAAAAAAND!

And here you have a prime example of an overenthusiastic Scottish nationalist in its natural habitat.

Come oooon SCOOOOOOOOOOTLAAAAAAAAND!

I would make a joke about scotland not deserving to be a country. But then I remember the rulling party in the UK are the tories, and I just feel sorry for you.

And here you have a prime example of an overenthusiastic Scottish nationalist in its natural habitat.

Do you have any evidence that he's in a pub?

"Normal" Scots live in houses, not in pubs. Which planet are you from?

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I agree with your article but you can't throw Nationalism away. It is ingrained in all to a certain degree

It's pretty impossible societally, but the world is made better even when a few throw it away.

Enough drops in a puddle will make a sea. - Old Tuvan proverb.

But is Ox a normal Scot?

But then I remember the rulling party in the UK are the tories, and I just feel sorry for you.

Why does that matter? Scotland is mostly autonomous anyway thanks to Devolution and the implementation of the Smith Commission's proposals.

What? No it isn't. Imperialism is bettered by nationalism, that's it. Nationalism doesn't cancel imperialism, it does the opposite.

Nationalist movements are the only way that imperialism can end. And yes, they are, by definition, opposing ideas. Imperialism is when a single government headed by an emperor rules over a diverse group of people, whereas Nationalism focuses on each group of people getting their own nation.

(again, with the exception of expansionist nationalism, but I've already explained that)

Why have any casualities at all?

Because a world where everybody sits around holding hands and eating plants is a world that does not and cannot exist. Taking nationalism away from the world does not stop casualties, it simply reverts it back to imperialism, which was ended by nationalist movements.

Again, something I mention. September 11 attacks certainly could have been false flag attacks. America's been known for some other false flag attacks, such as Tonkin bay. You really think that America is "defending the world of evil"? America is the evil.

I'm not even going to try to get into arguments about conspiracy theories. Suffice it to say i'm not a strong believer in them.

Why take the lesser of 2 evils, when you can just throw both away?

You cannot throw away Nationalism and Imperialism and expect a functioning government to stay in place. There has never been a functional Anarchy in place...

I would make a joke about scotland not deserving to be a country. But then I remember the rulling party in the UK are the tories, and I just feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for me too... I'm just glad Scotland has its own parliament and limited devolution. David Cameron promised us devo-max by now but he lied. =(

"Normal" Scots live in houses, not in pubs.

Incorrect.

But is Ox a normal Scot?

A normal true Scot.

Why does that matter? Scotland is mostly autonomous anyway thanks to Devolution and the implementation of the Smith Commission's proposals.

While you are right that Scotland has seen small increases in devolution recently, but it's NOTHING what David Cameron promised us.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/visitandlearn/25488.aspx

Devolved matters

agriculture, forestry and fisheries
education and training
environment
health and social services
housing
law and order (including the licensing of air weapons)
local government
sport and the arts
tourism and economic development
many aspects of transport

Reserved matters

benefits and social security
immigration
defence
foreign policy
employment
broadcasting
trade and industry
nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity
consumer rights
data protection
the Constitution

This is PATHETIC. He promised home-rule and maximum devolution by now and this is NOTHING like that. The Tories are liars and they'll only get worse with Johnson about to be their next leader.

Nationalist movements are the only way that imperialism can end. And yes, they are, by definition, opposing ideas. Imperialism is when a single government headed by an emperor rules over a diverse group of people, whereas Nationalism focuses on each group of people getting their own nation.

Nationalism doesn't even have to be from one culture - as I was saying before, it's quite government-led. 40 years ago, there were no Serbs, no Croatians, no Bosnans, no Macedonians, and no Slovenians nationalism - just Yugoslav nationalism. Same thing with Soviet Union, and same thing with China today. Same thing with Italy today, same thing with Hindu India. Multiculturalism doesn't cancel out imperialism. But empires must be started by one group of nationalist folk listening to their leader, who conquer another. That's how all empires are started. Nationalism absolutely does not cancel out imperialism.

Because a world where everybody sits around holding hands and eating plants is a world that does not and cannot exist.

It can exist, but we are a long ways from it (not going to happen in my lifetime nor yours). But the less war and wrecking folk's lives we have, the better.

I'm not even going to try to get into arguments about conspiracy theories. Suffice it to say i'm not a strong believer in them.

Just don't trust America, so much, or any government.

You cannot throw away Nationalism and Imperialism and expect a functioning government to stay in place. There has never been a functional Anarchy in place...

There have been several working anarchies in place, but that's besides the point. Taking away nationalism and imperialism does not mean making anarchy - it just simply means no more warring folk, no more xenophobia, so on. To you, do what you want, and to me, I will not be bothered. See Switzerland, Iceland, Costa Rica, Panama, as some of a few non-nationalist, non-imperialist countries that are not in anarchy or anything like that.

Nationalism doesn't even have to be from one culture - as I was saying before, it's quite government-led. 40 years ago, there were no Serbs, no Croatians, no Bosnans, no Macedonians, and no Slovenians nationalism - just Yugoslav nationalism. Same thing with Soviet Union, and same thing with China today. Same thing with Italy today, same thing with Hindu India. Multiculturalism doesn't cancel out imperialism. But empires must be started by one group of nationalist folk listening to their leader, who conquer another. That's how all empires are started. Nationalism absolutely does not cancel out imperialism.

I didn't say that it cancels it out. Nationalism is the successor to imperialism; It is how countries break free from imperialism.

I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. Expansionist nationalism is not nationalism. Expansionist nationalism is how empires are created, and is the groundwork for imperialism. Real nationalism is how Nations can break free from imperialism.

It's very similar to socialism. Yes, National Socialism and Democratic socialism both have the word "Socialism" in their name, and both ideologies can be classified as simply "Socialism", but this does not mean that they are the same, or even similar ideas. Most democratic socialists would make the argument that National socialists are not "real socialists".

See Switzerland, Iceland, Costa Rica, Panama, as some of a few non-nationalist, non-imperialist countries that are not in anarchy or anything like that.

Panama and Costa Rica Were once part of Spain, and gained independence through nationalist movements.

Iceland used to be a part of Denmark, but a nationalist movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_independence_movement) let them be a nation.

Switzerland is a very unique country to say the least. Their situation allows them to be unique, and it is not the same situation that any other country is in.

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While you are right that Scotland has seen small increases in devolution recently, but it's NOTHING what David Cameron promised us.

Well to be fair it looks like you're going to get control of tax policy, which is huge.

A new Scotland Bill will be in our first Queen’s Speech and
will be introduced in the first session of a new Parliament.
We will implement the recommendations of the Smith
Commission so that more than 50 per cent of the Scottish
Parliament’s budget will be funded from revenues raised in
Scotland and it will have significant new welfare powers to
complement existing devolved powers in health and social
care. We will provide the Scottish Parliament with one of
the most extensive packages of tax and spending powers
of any devolved legislature in the world. We will retain the
Barnett Formula as the basis for determining the grant
to cover that part of the Scottish Parliament’s budget not
funded by tax revenues raised in Scotland. We will agree
new rules with the Scottish Government for how the block
grant will be adjusted, to take account of the new devolved
tax and welfare powers. And we will ensure that where
responsibility for taxation has been devolved, tax changes
only affect public spending in that part of the country.

^This was in the 2015 Conservative Party Manifesto. I only watch Question Time and PMQs so I may be missing out on something. Hasn't he fulfilled his manifesto pledge?

I didn't say that it cancels it out.

You said something pretty close to that. Nationalist movements are the only way that imperialism can end.

Nationalism is the successor to imperialism; It is how countries break free from imperialism.

He was not for Hindu Gujarati independence. He was for independence of British India, with all Muslims and Hindus, Marathi and Tamil, all living together in the same country. He was just for Britain getting out of India and stopping its awful things there. And a big part of breaking away from countries is just unneeded nationalism. Division will never be better. Scotland and Catalunya, they will be worse off if they get independence, since they don't have as many folk they can work together. When West Germany and East Germany unified, it got better for both countries. When Czechslovakia parted, it got worse for both countries. You don't have to be a nationalist to rebel against your country, you just have to be a rebel.

I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. Expansionist nationalism is not nationalism. Expansionist nationalism is how empires are created, and is the groundwork for imperialism. Real nationalism is how Nations can break free from imperialism.

Real nationalism is how countries get fractured as Radio Free Europe tries to make a Karkalpak rebellion in Uzbekistan (and totally failed), or when Russian propoganda in Ukraine tells the Russians to fight against the evil philosophic successor of Stepan Bandera. It ends in unneeded war and death, and in the end, if they get independence, more isolation and xenophobia to add to the stockpile.

Panama and Costa Rica Were once part of Spain, and gained independence through nationalist movements.

Iceland used to be a part of Denmark, but a nationalist movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_independence_movement) let them be a nation.

Switzerland is a very unique country to say the least. Their situation allows them to be unique, and it is not the same situation that any other country is in.

I wasn't talking about these countries' pasts, but today. They aren't nationalist, they aren't empires, but they aren't anarchies, either (as you say that is what happens when both nationalism and empiricism is taken away). Also "Switzerland is a very unique country" what a pardon. Switzerland's past has been based on human resources, that's all there is to it.

There's a positive correlation to the amount of crap you say and the number of people who don't give an intercourse.

I wasn't talking about these countries' pasts, but today. They aren't nationalist, they aren't empires, but they aren't anarchies, either (as you say that is what happens when both nationalism and empiricism is taken away). Also "Switzerland is a very unique country" what a pardon. Switzerland's past has been based on human resources, that's all there is to it.

Yes, they are nationalist. A country having a flag, a national motto, a nationality is nationalism. A country having a government that is only legitimate if it is chosen by the people is nationalism.

No, I mean switzerland is very unique. They have managed to not fight a war for over 200 years, They have at least four major linguistic groups that all just kind of get along, they have a very advanced economy based on stuff like banking and watch manufacturing which allows them to be the second richest country per person in the world, all while being locked away in the mountains without a coastline.

Real nationalism is how countries get fractured as Radio Free Europe tries to make a Karkalpak rebellion in Uzbekistan (and totally failed), or when Russian propoganda in Ukraine tells the Russians to fight against the evil philosophic successor of Stepan Bandera. It ends in unneeded war and death, and in the end, if they get independence, more isolation and xenophobia to add to the stockpile.

How is having more smaller countries a bad thing?