what kind of English dialect are you talking about talking fan? it is more like you are pronouncing it like a French person.

I don't know what dialect Im speaking , i feel so out of place when I talk to my freinds who can pronounce th but not so much who can't pronounce th.

I hate words that have the voiced th (θ) but I don't mind the unvoiced th (ð).

As a child I never was able to pronounce "θ" because from what I heard the th would be pronounced like (t) , (D) , (z) or (F). FYI I'm 17.

Edited 4/1/2016 07:22:57

mmmh I never heard of any English dialects where th is pronounced (t) or (d) or (z), perhaps you have some personal difficulties of pronunciation that's all. I myself have difficulties pronouncing 'th' since this sound does not exist in French, so I replace it usually with a d, a t or most of the time a z (the French usually pronounce th with a z for the word "the" so it would be "ze").

Btw, many people used to tell me English is easy, sure it is, grammatically easier than French or any Romance languages (although many other languages are also easier grammatically speaking such as Chinese since you do not have for example to conjugate verbs for example), but in terms of renunciation English is one of the most difficult language, something Native speakers do not necessarily realize, but some sounds aren't pronounced in many other languages, and there are so many irregularities in pronouncing words that it is a real mess, this was my personal opinion :)

Koala, your personal opinion is pretty much right. The rules in English are bent so much, it's stupid. There are so many things you have in English that you just have to accept, like "margarine"... Why is the G soft, like in hedGe? The G is supposed to be hard, like in Golf, or haGGis, because an A follows it. If an A follows it, the G is hard, not soft. There are so many exceptions, irregularities, and odd-words that it becomes a mess.

And yeah, for people who grew up outside of an Anglophone country, pronouncing "th" is sometimes hard. Easiest way: put your tongue between your teeth, open your mouth, and make an "S" noise. It will hopefully come out as "th" if you did it right.

Koala, your personal opinion is pretty much right.

Yep, and I consider also French as one of the most difficult language, in terms of grammar, stupid rules (like plural in words after the verb to be but not for words after the verb to have, or many way to write a sound whereas it is the same like: eau, o, au which are all pronounced O, or ein, in, ain also pronounced the same way, or accents which are useless such as è or ê pronounced similarly, etc.), because you know "French has to be sophisticated"... Result of this? Most of the French youth cannot write correctly French, congrats to the French Academy!

And yeah, for people who grew up outside of an Anglophone country, pronouncing "th" is sometimes hard. Easiest way: put your tongue between your teeth, open your mouth, and make an "S" noise. It will hopefully come out as "th" if you did it right.

Yes sadly you know for a foreigner while speaking you have some "automatisms" so most of the time you do not pronounce some sounds correctly unless you work hard on your pronunciation sure.

I am pretty bad at English pronunciation, but I usually pronounce it like (f) sound, it's somewhat like, as for words like "the" and "this", I say sometimes (z).

^ This.

The "Th" is english showing it is a barbaric language, "Thr" being full all-out uncivilized at it's peak.

I like to pronounce it like: th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWvkZbhgAc&index=9&list=PL96C35uN7xGLDEnHuhD7CTZES3KXFnwm0

French really isn't that bad Koala

French is definitely easier than English; if I learned both for the same time, I would probably speak French better. The only really tough thing in French is the subjunctive tense, but the big Romantic tongues generally seem to be easy.

French isn't too bad. It includes a lot more Latin-derived words, which is good, and the only real downside is you have to memorise a ton of shit, like with the conjugations.

#makeenglishanglishagain

We should purge Anglish of the stuck-up Norman words.

Yes, this really is a great mistake in English, backstabber words from mostly Français/Latina. Some of the most wielded backstabber words, and right Germanic words that are needed to be wielded.

(also, no backstabber words above here ---)

Because -> Since
Question -> Frain
City -> Borough

Edited 4/2/2016 20:24:39

In greek we pronounce it always like Teeth θ

This guy is more unfourtunate than me : https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/user/Artifexian%3F&ved=0ahUKEwimgcP3wfLLAhUCnA4KHcYyCwsQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNHUcE3GhPR-URjSGAKEf1yRBtHHuA&sig2=V3nDsxOl6kmrfrF1odw1aA

Watch his videos. Be sure to listen how he pronounces th words

Edited 4/3/2016 12:56:19

Juq, if you're going to use those words, at least do it the right way.

Because (we have no other word for since) -> 'cauz
Frain -> Frane
Borough -> Burgh

Frain -> Frane
Borough -> Burgh

Just another way to spell. By the way, I've seen that Scottish and North England tongue are better about keeping good true English words. I mean, look at England's saw: "Dieu et mon droit" - not even English, that's upsetting.

Lol. By your reasoning of "make it purer", Britain should not be English-speaking, but "Brythonic" speaking (Welsh). "Dieu et mon droit" and French-Norman words are the indirect results of the Norman conquest, as for English it is another result of the Anglosaxon invasion of Britain, both were foreigner to these lands, so I do not see why one is less valid than the other. If anything the Celts should start to protest too.

I am not saying to make any land "purer", just the tongues. Doesn't matter where English or French is spoken, as long as it is spoken with only English or French words. Also, Celtic tongues have many backstabber words from English.

Let's just accept that all languages have it's number of loan words from other languages (with exception of icelandic).
You make me feel bad about the fact that most popular word from my language is one. :'(

Well Modern English is composed of a majority of french-latin-greek words, like it or not. Having English without this influence would be denaturing it and would make just another language. We are not in the case of Icelandic, Chinese or Turkish (this is less the case anyway for Turkish since they just replaced Arabic influence with western influence), where they indeed replaced most of the foreign loanwords with modern Icelandic or Chinese equivalents (for example veðurfræði ("meteorology") with veður "weather", and fræði "science" in Icelandic, or "Diannao" (literally "electric brain") for computer in Chinese), because Icelandic was already not that much affected by foreign influence, this is not the case of English for example. English is a mixed language already.