i have taken the time to look into 1v1 win percentages for each participant in each of the 1v1 tournaments

1v1
Strat MME SR :
-Death ( 1050/2021 : 52% )
-Eldridge ( 17/35 : 49% )
-Semicedevine ( 411/779 : 53% )
-smileyleg ( 1091/1746 : 62% )
-snife ( 26/39 : 67% )

winner of 1v1 Strat MME SR according to data ( smileyleg - even though 5% lower than snife, snife has not played that many games )

1v1
Ancient Greece :
-Fleecemaster ( 109/209 : 52% )
-Ranek ( 42/58 : 72% )
-Des ( 296/872 : 34% )
-HomeLess ( no stats )
-Death ( 1050/2021 : 52% )
-Lisa ( 295/370 : 80% )

winner of 1v1 Ancient Greece according to data ( Lisa )

1v1
Battle Islands :
-Eldridge ( 17/35 : 49% )
-Mali ( 10/22 : 45% )
-psykkoman ( 77/114 : 68% )
-Sai Kurogetsu ( 161/269 : 54% )
-Semicedevine ( 411/779 : 53% )

winner of 1v1 Battle Islands according to data ( psykkoman )

1v1
French Brawl :
-j willy 47 ( 370/704 : 53% )
-Luna ( 147/313 : 47% )
-woolhammer ( no stats )
-ZODIC837 ( 22/66 : 33% )
-McMuller ( 227/473 : 48% )
-Onoma94 ( 377/911 : 41% )

winner of 1v1 French Brawl according to data ( j willy 47 )

the winners of each 1v1 tournament was solely selected based on 1v1 win percentage ( other than Strat MME SR ) and could easily be proved wrong

Interesting list but you should of taken more than just the win rates into account , ladder rank and such like is more relevant.

here are the 2v2 percentages

2v2
Guiroma :
-The Roleplaying Guild ( 80/135 : 59% )
-The Juggernauts Clan ( 121/289 : 42% )
-AOE ( 94/143 : 66% )
-CORP ( 46/64 : 72% )
-Wolves ( 79/148 : 53% )
-Westeros United ( 71/159 : 45% )

winner of 2v2 Guiroma according to the data ( CORP )

2v2
RoR :
-Wolves ( 58/169 : 34% )
-The Juggernauts Clan ( no stats )
-CORP ( 103/180 : 57% )
-Westeros United ( 83/182 : 46% )
-AOE ( 34/80 : 43% )
-The Roleplaying Guild ( 142/286 : 50% )

winner of 2v2 RoR according to data ( CORP - this may be disputed since AOE and TJC has only one player and the only player in TJC has no stats that i could find )

once again this is purely based off win percentage

ME WR, Greece, now this. What next, Twisted Chess?

I thought casinos and luck games were prohibited in Europe. WR is a violation of the union's laws. You should be ARRESTED for daring to even IMAGINE playing any template with that cancer.

...I'm serious. The Pokémon games' European Version always has a modified game corner. I don't know how WR is still legal.

As for Greece, the map just seemed too generic for 1v1. (EDIT: Some people don't seem to understand the past tense, so let me rephrase that: _now_ I think slightly differently)

French Brawl is twice as generic because France is a terrible place for a WarLight match; it's circular-ish and has little to no chokepoints/safe regions. Anyone with a brain can look at the map and tell that where you pick doesn't matter; it only matters if/when you counterpick.

And quoting Ox here, he likes that template because it's supposedly good to play against noobs in. In other words, it's one of that templates in which just being a brainless trained monkey will make you better than a really good player who only played it once or twice.

I see no reason to like french cancer other than "I'm too brainless to play proper 1v1s so I play in a crap map/template nobody else plays on just so there is one place in which I can actually beat people in". Because the description above perfectly fits Ox's thoughts on how to rate maps and templates, he probably voted it #1 on his voting call and that's probably one of the sole reasons this template is still here.

winner of 2v2 RoR according to data ( CORP )

Of course. I'm the one playing it. :P

Edited 4/15/2016 19:14:21

No one talk about division B and the incredible superiority of Clan Español. (Our 2 worst accounts are alts from +55 level players).

3v3

3v3
Europe :
-TJC ( 61/131 : 47% )
-The Roleplaying Guild ( 1327/2937 : 45% )
-CORP ( 36/79 : 46% )
-W.U. ( 361/595 : 61% )
-wolves ( 146/330 : 44% )
-AOE ( 242/521 : 46% )

winner of 3v3 Europe according to data ( W.U. )

this once gain has some people who doesnt have data i can find on their win percentages so this can also be debated on the basis of percentages

dont worry i am getting to division B

i just now finished division A and will take some time off before starting division B

French Brawl is twice as generic because France is a terrible place for a WarLight match; it's circular-ish and has little to no chokepoints/safe regions. Anyone with a brain can look at the map and tell that where you pick doesn't matter; it only matters if/when you counterpick.

Lol, always amuses me when people talk like their opinion is so right when they are completely wrong :D

@justin/A.H. Your predictions are based off of irrelevant data and will likely be incorrect. I agree with a lot for different reasons though.

Edited 4/15/2016 18:32:20

And Zeph is misquoting me. I said that remark about Europe. If you know what you're doing in EU you can destroy people who don't, more so than any other mainstream start temp. Never said that about FB though ;)

Zeph:I wonder what does "generic map" mean precisely. I find Greece template unique amongst all I played so far, admitting that my experience is far from big. According French Brawl, I personally dislike the template too, but I would never dare to doubt its strategic value. That (sorry to say) bullshit you wrote suggest that you never played it.

Semice: I dodn't doubt that you are the one who is favorite on Battle Islands.

Zeph:I wonder what does "generic map" mean precisely. I find Greece template unique amongst all I played so far, admitting that my experience is far from big. According French Brawl, I personally dislike the template too, but I would never dare to doubt its strategic value. That (sorry to say) bullshit you wrote suggest that you never played it.

Greece I can understand (nowadays I've seen it in play, and it's quite dynamic). But for French Brawl, I stand by my words.

That is because Greece at least has islands, and eventual chokepoints and dead ends. France is just a blob.

And Zeph is misquoting me. I said that remark about Europe.

You said that you liked templates like Europe because of that reason. I don't know what drives you into liking French Cancer, but I assumed based on your weird taste.

Wrong assumption? Maybe, but one thing for sure, you are still terrible at picking favorite templates (not only strat, diplo too (and not for lack of material; you have Gui and Juq, both good templatemakers on their own accord, and you literally pick one of the worst Gui template for RPCL2 and the worst Juq template I've personally seen for a casual game)).

edit: double post, woot for bad forums + laggy connection

Edited 4/15/2016 19:14:45

Greece I can understand (nowadays I've seen it in play

So you directly admit that you judge templates without having actual experience with them.
This is like talking on sex while being virgin :D

Edited 4/15/2016 19:20:09

Well, I don't know about you, but at least in here, you do not need to make a movie in order to review existing ones.

Anyhow, I do have games on Ancient Greece, and it was exactly why I originally thought it was boring. Took me seeing someone else play it to actually understand the point of the fun in it. I do enjoy watching people play a lot.

As for French Brawl, once again, I do have games on it. Specifically? One. And it was enough mental torture to just look at the map and think "what's the difference?" between basically every spawns in it. Then I've seen it in play, and it's cringy. Just awful.

*facedesk*

What is proper 1v1 then? Other than MME SR. What makes proper 1v1?

France map would be a blob if it was on settings like MME SR, but it is not - you can't just expand anywhere, because you don't have enough armies for that. You dislike WR, why - because you don't like losing armies on luck? Then French Brawl is ALL about managing armies. You have to calculate every single one. Get income fast, get to chokepoints and predict where the opponent will shatter next. That that there are no chokepoints is completely false. In my game against j willy I can tell you at least three breaking points that threatened previously somewhat safe areas. Then you complain that it matters where you counterpick - what's so bad? Counterpicking matters in most templates.

You basically criticize it for being played in different way than MME SR.

Zeph: Sorry for being so suspicious mate, it just looked that we are talking on completely different things.

Edited 4/15/2016 19:48:36

And it was enough mental torture to just look at the map and think "what's the difference?" between basically every spawns in it.

This is precisely why players get 6 spawns each, and not 3-4 like on most templates. So that all of the somewhat decent starts are getting distributed to players.

I agree with the "mental torture" part picking on FB is scary

I have this in every Warlight game so. :P