To deny Europe's history of imperialism and it's current imperialism is quite dull.

To deny Europe's history of imperialism and it's current imperialism is quite dull.

Sure, sure, total Major-esque hypocrisy again. America is innocent now? Use appropriate words at least: "Westerners", this comprises everybody at least. And as for Europe I do not know what you really want to say, but many nations can't be defined as "imperialists", or do you consider Croatia, Belarus, Ireland, Estonia or Slovakia as imperialist nations now?

No but the main European countries (Russia, France, Britain, and Germany) are definitely imperialist. To deny America taking European style imperialist thought from Europe is like denying that American culture is largely English based.

This is more correct, not as previously as "Europe" is indeed very vague. As for the US, it is not something that was brought from Europe, or the US taking "European style imperialist thought", the United States were like this since the very beginning.
And as for "European style imperialist thought" it is irrelevant, it is like saying Chinese imperialism does not exist, or will you say it was also brought from Europe? It does not originate form one continent in particular, imperialism is a notion that historically encompasses many cultures and people around the world.

Well using the reason to protect business interests to put military forces in area is definitely a European style imperialism strategy. The US used it against Spain, and a collection of Latin American countries. High tariffs to hurt other countries economies is another European strategy , taken by the US government.

Not really, you can find similar examples through history around the world: China used to protect its own business interests along the Silk Road for centuries as an example.
As for the US, in terms of culture it was created by "Europeans" (more precisely British people), so it is not really surprising to see many policies and cultural characteristics shared by both continents.

Use appropriate words at least: "Westerners", this comprises everybody at least.

No, it leaves out almost all of Europe except Britain, France, and Iberia, and includes loads of West African countries, that have had very impressive empires...did you know that Liberia used to own America?

And as for Europe I do not know what you really want to say, but many nations can't be defined as "imperialists", or do you consider Croatia, Belarus, Ireland, Estonia or Slovakia as imperialist nations now?

In Europe, there are roughly 700 million folk totally, more than half live in one of these imperialist countries.

Westerners encompasses all of Europe as well as European based civilizations in America (most of American countries if not all), when I was in China "Waiguoren" and people referred as "Westerners" were all Europeans, Russians included. And it is not only China, people in Africa, South Asians and Natives Americans viewed Europeans from everywhere quite similarly.

In Europe, there are roughly 700 million folk totally, more than half live in one of these imperialist countries.

But not all, this is why calling all Europeans "imperialists" is irrelevant and inaccurate.

Westerners encompasses all of Europe as well as European based civilizations in America (most of American countries if not all), when I was in China "Waiguoren" and people referred as "Westerners" were all Europeans, Russians included. And it is not only China, people in Africa, South Asians and Natives Americans viewed Europeans from everywhere quite similarly.

"The western world" entails all of the countries which were capitalist as opposed to socialist during the Cold War. For Example:

The Philippines are a western nation
Greece is a western nation
Turkey is a western nation
Japan is a western nation
South korea is a western nation
Australia is a western nation

Cuba is Not a western nation
Poland is not a western nation
Venezuela is not a western nation
Finland is not a western nation
Russia is not a western nation

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As I told you earlier westerners is a term that encompasses all European nations, the term itself "westerners" is far older than the cold war period.

Western for me is Europe, USA, and Commonwealth. Japan, Korea, etc could be considered Western, but not for me.

As I told you earlier westerners is a term that encompasses all European nations, the term itself "westerners" is far older than the cold war period.

While this can be said as a generalization, There are several exceptions on both sides. I noted several examples.

"<< To deny Europe's history of imperialism and it's current imperialism is quite dull. >>"

Again, you amuse me.

First off, I do not deny the European history of imperialism.
Second, currently we have retarded policies which I mostly do not support.
We need to reinstall the monarchy in Germany; A new modern kind of monarchy led by me as being the new Emperor.
First off, Europe needs to cut itself off from the USA´s propaganda;
Second, we have to work more closely together with Russia.
But until those ages arrive, Europe will stay shitty....
The only thing lifting my mind from this sadness is to be knowing that life is worse for those who had the misfortune to grow up in the USA.

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"<< No but the main European countries (Russia, France, Britain, and Germany) are definitely imperialist. To deny America taking European style imperialist thought from Europe is like denying that American culture is largely English based. >>"

You are really amusing me, for real...are you a stand-up comedian? *sarcasm*

When you talk of "American culture" what do you mean by the term then?
Because if you refer to the USA with ´American´ then I have to disappoint you now, as it is obvious:

The USA have no culture.

The USA are a mix of cultures but not a culture for themselves.
There is no such thing as "American culture".
So they have no culture. Which is sad but it is fact.

Please, MGSB, get your stuff straight next time.

I only wish you the best; But in your case.....I only can hope for you to be shot dead soon;
I wouldn´t even bother, as wouldn´t anyone else. Dead people because of shootings are a regularly and bloody thing happening nearly on a daily basis in the USA. The reality:
No one would give a fuck about you if you got shot dead.

So, with this being said, I release myself from this debate with the annoying human being which you are.

America has a culture, stop being a Euro-whiner. It's mostly English based, with other influences and it has been changed over time to what it is now. American products, movies and shows are widespread and liked by many, it is undeniable that American culture is widespread and existent.

Only because there´s ´Murica on it doesn´t mean that it´s all good.
You don´t have to deify and/or glorify the American folk, as your folk isn´t as good as you believe it to be. I.e. CIA-waterboarding, Guantanamo Bay, brain washing, etc.
Also you export genetically modified food, meaning by the new TTIP-contract Europe and Germany will get flooded with feculent and misbegotten food...yuk...
Just the thought about it makes me gonna feel as I had to throw up. It´s just disgusting.
And Europe will get contaminated with your American BS....Awful!

Stop being an American super-uber-nationalist!

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"The term originally had a literal geographic meaning. It contrasted Europe with the linked cultures and civilizations of the Middle East and North Africa, South Asia, Southeast Asia and the remote Far East, which early-modern Europeans saw as the East. Today this has little geographic relevance since the concept of the West has been expanded to include the former European colonies in the Americas, Russian Northern Asia, Australia, and New Zealand."
(source: Thompson, William; Hickey, Joseph (2005). Society in Focus. Boston, MA: Pearson. 0-205-41365-X)


When people here keep being stubborn...

Accept the existence of American culture: You're a nationalist and love the government.

I guess most folk are American Nationalists then.

Or General Robert E. Lee. He was a great general. I really would like to have served under his command.
Or Che Guevara´s.
Or Ho Chi Minh´s.

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