Because socialism is a cancer on the entire world, a blight that has infected the psuedo-capitalists as well as the leftists, I feel entirely justified in opposing it.

Because socialism is a cancer on the entire world, a blight that has infected the psuedo-capitalists as well as the leftists, I feel entirely justified in opposing it.

You can oppose it, but (trying to be as neutral as possible), sometimes arbitrarily siding with capitalism no matter what is somewhat illogical. For a balanced society (not my ideal one), you want to take bits of capitalism and bits of socialism (in a far more comprehensive way than I can devise; don't say it is impossible because I can't come up with a scenario: I am no expert), and use them when they're logical.

Except socialism isn't logical, and neither is government. They're the systematic use of violence on peaceful folk for the benefit of a ruling class that uses the concept of the greater good as a justification for the violence.

1. Islam is not good for any nation; they were brought here without consent from the people; they could be ISIS, ISIS-supporting or just extremist. America first.

Isn't it ironic, though, that murderous Christian extremists were brought, or rather, invaded America, and killed most all Americans, and pretended they were Americans? It's very ironic you say this. I definitely don't like some Islamic policies, just as I don't Christian ones. Christians, though, have since betrayed their Book, and became more irreligous, making them generally safer, though the Christian literalists, well, they're still killing folk. Muslims, though, as a whole, have betrayed their Reading much less, and are much more literalist. Egypt has one of the most devout Muslim populations, more than half the country wants Islamic theologic law for everyone, not just Muslims. But they obey their book, and in their book, there shall be no compulsion in faith, and as a result, most Islamic countries have a low murder rate, relative to their living standards, and I don't think there's any Islamic country not at war that has a higher murder rate than America, which is much more developed and Christian.

And if you want to get into the past of it, modern science developed in the Islamic world, and the Islamic world was one of the laxest faiths in the world until 1258.

Now, those Mashriqar, they've been called by all the Islamic scholars and theologians as not Muslim, so maybe if they were, this problem would not be there in the first bit, eh?

Taken out of context

That's what Trump supporters always say. Here's a quote taken out of context: "women...don't have a country". Anyhow, he said that Mexico is sending evil folk to America, and he even later said that he wasn't talking just about immigration. "I said "Mexico is sending"— I'm not knocking immigration or immigrants". That's like saying that generally, if you go into an Albanian neighbourhood, you're going to get killed, when actually Albanian neighbourhoods have lower murder rates than average.

Criticism of an organization supportive of criminals and criminal actions isn't racist. They manufacture issues.

I don't think Trump is bad for criticising BLM, but for pretty much refusing to condemn or criticise KKK, while doing this? Hmm.

The highest form of patriotism is dissent.

On the bombing families - total war is the only way to win. Everyone who has ever taken off a band-aid know quick and hard is better than slow and long.

So are you willing to sacrifice you, your family, and your friends for supporting a far more dangerous organisation, if America reached its end?

Even if America was trying to do the right thing in the Middle East (it definitely wasn't), even with torture and land troops, and all that fun, they totally failed in their "goal". Get out, it's better for everybody - no grounds to attack America (it's not fighting the thugs anymore), less spending for America, and less bloodshed.

What's so bad about protecting American jobs from outsourcing? What's bad about preventing foreign corporations from destroying U.S companies?

Why should Americans be fat and lazy and be given everything on a plate, and compete only with their own weak selves? American jobs are not stolen, Americans can still get them (well, with minimal wage, maybe not, but still), and foreigners are not in any way favoured to get these jobs, actually, probably less favoured for some jobs, since they are less qualified. And foreign businesses do not "wreck" American businesses, American businesses fail themselves out of their own incompetence (and disproportionately high taxes on them).

Woooow, Butler. you so edddgyyy

One more problem about Trump, and this is more on the homefront: he supports torture of ordinary prisoners, too.

they've been called by all the Islamic scholars and theologians as not Muslim

I doubt with 100% certainty that his is true. Even if it is, Islamic scholars have embraced groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and even Al-Qaeda with gusto.

I couldn't find one Islamic theologian that did call it Sunni Muslim, however, they have been called Kharijites (non-denominationalists) by a few, so I guess you are right.

most all*

Also, can you show me where the IRM, God's Group, or The Base have been called Muslims by neutral Islamic theologians?

Woooow, Butler. you so edddgyyy

Ox, when was the last time you actually argued a point I made? Or do you just like making petty insults instead of arguments?

Pipe down, half of what you're saying is just buzzwords - government and socialism isn't logic? What is that even supposed to mean? It might not be smart, but it's logic.

3/4 your agruments are based on a claim yet to be definitively proven.

But they obey their book, and in their book, there shall be no compulsion in faith, and as a result, most Islamic countries have a low murder rate, relative to their living standards, and I don't think there's any Islamic country not at war that has a higher murder rate than America, which is much more developed and Christian.

America is relatively low as far as murder rates go (ranked 114 of around 200 countries with 3 homicides per 100K people), and in terms of international comparisons, a lot of Islamic nations are higher:

Turkmenistan: 12/100K
Mali: 11/100K
Gambia: 9/100K
Chad: 9/100K
Kyrgyzstan: 9/100K
Senegal: 8/100K
Comoros: 8/100K
Iraq: 8/100K
Kazakhstan: 7/100K
Pakistan: 7/100K
Palestine: 7/100K
Djibouti: 7/100K
Sudan: 6/100K
Afghanistan: 6/100K

^And those are just the ones with more than 2x as many as america

Now, I'm not you; I'm not trying to say how muslims are so horrible and they all kill each other. All sorts of nations place everywhere on the list and their faith has very little to do with it.

Socialism and government isn't logical.

Ok , there are some bandit folk, hire some guys to defend your land , but those guards shouldn't be able to take your stuff at will, and decide what you should do as a person. And they especially shouldn't be able to take your son and make him a guard and send him to fight bandits.

Mali, Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine, Sudan, Afghanistan are at war, or has serious "conflict", and I was not counting light Islamic countries, just the more devout ones, so Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan would be off the list immediately (about 95% Middle Asian+Azeri Muslims believe in Darwinian evolution, not the Islamic creationism, the highest of any site), also, in Africa south of Sahara, there is loads of mix between tribal faiths and Islam, I'd be sceptic to count them, too.

I think I might have just missed one, Iran, but it's murder rate (39 bem) is not much higher than America's (38).

Now, I'm not you; I'm not trying to say how muslims are so horrible and they all kill each other.

Do I say that?

All sorts of nations place everywhere on the list and their faith has very little to do with it.

My point is, faith has little to do with anything, as long as it's moderate.

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Just going to drop this here.

I don't remember the last time I argued a point your made either. I've lost sooooo much interest in talking politics on this forum. I make some stupid comments and provoke right wingers by saying hard-left thing sometimes, but the last time I legitimately decided to say "I'm going to go, argue somebody's point(s), and try to win on said points", is once with Juq over Scottish Independence (something I care about, not whether socialism is logical or not - is anything logical? you're just bringing in metaphysics here, and I don't care whether you think socialism is logical or not because obviously I can't get you to change your opinion: however I'm sure you'll go through another phase sometime, however I can't predict what that phase will be)

Warlight (subjective):

Community (beneficial: clan league, RPCL, helping with community and stuff) > playing game (diplos, tactic, strat) > chat (social chat w/ clanmates and stuff) > shitposting (lololol I enjoy this) > politics (don't have much of an interest to talk that here much more)

The main problem with picking arguments on WL is that there is no proper way to argue/debate. There's no structure / no rules. Anything goes, and because of this people decide to tarnish the word "debate" by calling something as stupid as a WL political disagreement/spat a "debate".

Please, if you care so much about politics are there not people like, in your community to talk about this to? Take up debate, or something, then when you're done you won't care to annoy people on the forum with it because I'd much rather an OT full of shitposts than full of political talk (a healthy balance outweighs both, however)

Ox you're Scottish, nobody cares for your opinion. Take Robert The Bruce, Macbeth and Willaim Wallace and drown in Irn Bru.

Socialism and government isn't logical.

Ok , there are some bandit folk, hire some guys to defend your land , but those guards shouldn't be able to take your stuff at will, and decide what you should do as a person. And they especially shouldn't be able to take your son and make him a guard and send him to fight bandits.

A flawed thought can still be logic, and government and socialism are definitely logic.

Do I say that?

You said something similar about american christians.

Mali, Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine, Sudan, Afghanistan are at war, or has serious "conflict",

Most/all are conflicts motivated by Islam, so your point of

they obey their book, and in their book, there shall be no compulsion in faith, and as a result, most Islamic countries have a low murder rate

Doesn't really hold any water in that case.

and I was not counting light Islamic countries, just the more devout ones, so Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan would be off the list immediately (about 95% Middle Asian+Azeri Muslims believe in Darwinian evolution, not the Islamic creationism, the highest of any site), also, in Africa south of Sahara, there is loads of mix between tribal faiths and Islam, I'd be sceptic to count them, too.

There are numerous denominations within islam, and many wouldn't consider followers of other denominations to be "devout". So what?

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.... 4 threads about TRUMP in one SINGLE DAY! Gosh, this is getting very boring. Move on guys.