The basis of Anarcho-Capitalism and capitalism is voluntaryism and the free market, don't try to get on me for "preaching Marxism" when you and other pro-capitalists do this on a daily basis.

The difference between (limited) capitalism is that folk don't have to try to cooperate at all and think only about themselves, in truth, the divide between capitalism and communism can be competition against cooperation, both of which good in healthy doses.

And what you are advocating for is that folk try to cooperate with each other with no immediate gain to themselves.

Well there's both. Consumers peacefully cooperate with the producers and middle-men/middle-women, while middle-folk and producers compete with other middle-folk and producers.

They don't try to cooperate, they just think to themselves and immediate gain.

Sellers sell stuff to make money (for themselves, and anyone helping them get stuff). Buyers buy stuff to get stuff. And this is both for their own goodgains - both sides feel like they got the better side of the deal, else they would not do such a trade.

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There is no evidence for this.

Yes there is. Just look at any nation when the government collapses. Society degenerates into anarchy with terrorist groups and mobs taking control until a new government is formed. History has proved what a power vacuum will do.

Guess why you're alive, have all your things, and have great living standards. Voluntary cooperation by humans

Yes. Voluntary cooperation involving that evil government you despise so much. The roads we use for our commerce? Government mandated. The fire-departments that keep everything from burning down? Government mandated. The freaking hospital which has saved your life or that of someone you know at some point? Wouldn't be here without government assistance.

You think the government is some evil demon that's out to kill you, but the fact you're allowed to spew all this anti-government anarchist rhetoric on a regular basis proves that you're wrong. If the government was as oppressive as you claim, the FBI would have tossed you into a prison long ago.

or your fictional god.

Odd that you go for the religious attack route since I never brought up God or my religion. I was going to resist throwing out the overused "Marxist" card, but you seem to fit the signs more and more. Also, this kind of vitriol is ironic coming from the guy who was whining on this or another thread about "Angry Panda like insults".

Yes, but every moment they are doing something together, they are cooperating, while for the interests of themselves, they are still cooperating voluntarily and peacefully.

There are two types of exchanges:

Win-win: one side wants something the other side has, so they make a deal and both in some way benefit. This is voluntary and cooperative.

Win-lose:

When you are forcing someone to do something or taking something they have without them agreeing.

except ppl consent to this system

not enough ppl want to radically change how this country works

because ppl do not want ur system

keep living in fantasy land

Yes, but every moment they are doing something together, they are cooperating, while for the interests of themselves, they are still cooperating voluntarily and peacefully.

Ok, fine, but then what if there is no interet to cooperate voluntarily and peacefully? Win-win has a goodgain for both sides. Win-lose means that someone is "winning" at the expense of someone "losing". What's any immediate goodgain to stand up for the folk being forced against their will to "lose"?

Yes there is. Just look at any nation when the government collapses. Society degenerates into anarchy with terrorist groups and mobs taking control until a new government is formed. History has proved what a power vacuum will do.

Alright, let's go with Somalia. After a brief period of civil conflict after the fall of the Barre regime and the UN invading, order returned to Somalia. Tens of thousands of refugees returned to Somalia, living standards raised, and after the drought passed, the economy boomed.

The roads we use for our commerce? Government mandated.

Can be paid for voluntarily. Same for the fire department and hospital.

It's not about short term goodgain, it's about folk using logic to see longterm goodgain. A jerk who goes around stealing from businesses is dangerous, best to tell him to stop screw off, and to follow up with force if he refuses.

It's not about short term goodgain, it's about folk using logic to see longterm goodgain. A jerk who goes around stealing from businesses is dangerous, best to tell him to stop screw off, and to follow up with force if he refuses.
Ahh.. the classic people are logical argument. Sorry to tell you, but the great depression shot this argument in the foot pretty badly. People became desperate and pulled out of the banks, creating even more crisis, when the rational thing would have been to keep your money in the bank if you viewed it through the long term lens.

Can be paid for voluntarily. Same for the fire department and hospital.

This assumes enough people are generous enough to pay for these things voluntarily. I live in a private sub-division where the road is maintained through a voluntary fund paid by the local residents. Barely half the people pay and the road goes to crap because we have no means of forcing the deadbeats to pay their share of the costs.

Not every human is selfish, but the percentage is large enough that this system of "We'll have people voluntarily pay for everything" is doomed to utter failure.

because ppl do not want ur system

keep living in fantasy land

Also, this. You say you're all about freedom of choice and what not. So what if the majority of people don't want this grand anarchist vision of yours?

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Daily reminder Bernie Sanders is a Jew.

Voluntary doesn't mean non-capitalist, there will still be doctors who want to help folk and want money. Businesses would of course invest too, no profit if your customers are dead.

The Great Depression was caused and extended by the government. And sorry, humans are logical , very logical, if not, we would still be in caves and having slaves, because short term gain was better than long term gain.

no it was caused by reckless ppl borrowing money and spending and borrowing and then the house of cards fell

Major people aren't logical. Most people are morons and are emotional creatures. Thats why propaganda is so effective, because it appeals to emotion. Like the adverts with starving black children. I don't actually care about starving blacks but those ads make me want to give money, even if its only for a second. Also giving money to blacks is a Jewish trick.

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The Great Depression was caused and extended by the government. And sorry, humans are logical , very logical, if not, we would still be in caves and having slaves, because short term gain was better than long term gain.
People are logical when they aren't in an economic crisis. The crisis was started by reckless spending and borrowing as stated by waco, and generally agree upon by everyone due to the fact that it all started with the stock market crash. This crash was then further expanded into a recession, and a banking crisis as the people that still had net value in the banks wanted to trade their cash for gold, as everyone was still on the gold standard, which is not economically logical during a recession, as you reduce the funds that can be loaned out, thereby constricting the monetary supply, and thereby constricting the amount of money available for goods and services, and thereby constricting the economy. This in turn lead to the depression, as banks ran out of gold due to their own reckless spending and borrowing, which resulted in basically no actual liquid money, which killed the economy.

More lying from communist Jew Japan.

I don't actually care about starving blacks but those ads make me want to give money, even if its only for a second.

Goddammit, I showed a brief moment of empathy! Bad, bad!

Blacks did it to themselves.