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The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 20:52:16


[WOLF] The Conservative
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I have studied American Political history all my life and I learned that......I hate both parties lol. Anyhow, here are my list of the best US Presidents and why they were. This was done from memory so bare with me here. Also sorry about the title, I ended up at 10 lol.



1: FDR, DEMOCRAT.

This was a hard one. It was neck and neck between Washington, Reagan, and Jefferson. But after hard research, I decided it should be FDR. Now, you all know my famous criticism of him. He started much of our fraud and waste problems and the New Deal wasn't as great as the alter we all put it on. But, it worked. He did the correct thing ( Even though it took him two terms ). He would have actually been 2 if my research hadn't reminded me of how I liked his earlier diplomatic approach.


2: REAGAN , REPUBLICAN

Like FDR, Not exactly my favorite president but his policies worked. He was tough but fair with Unions. Most people forget how he had good relations with Unions during his first term. In fact, he was a unionist most of his life before he became a republican during Johnsons War On Poverty ( Probably the worst Progressive disaster in history ). His foreign policy however is what I most liked. Speak Softly and Carry a big stick. He kept to the Monroe Doctrine and made sure to develop a good friendship with Gorbachev. I however hated Iran Contra, it was truly his low water mark. However, unlike Obama with the NSA scandal or Bush with Iraq, at least he had the nerve to apologize and admit he made a mistake. America loved him for it, and so do I.


3: GEORGE WASHINGTON, FEDERALIST OR NEUTRAL ( There is some debate but since he tended to side with Hamilton, it's a safe assumption )

He handled our first couple of years with ease. I gave him 3 because he kept us out of European affairs and was smart enough to steer clear of the French revolution. Basically, because he gave Adam's a nice starting position and was smart at foreign policy is why he's at 3.



4: ABRAHAM LINCOLN, REPUBLICAN

I think he deserves this one. He definitely wasn't the best at war BUT his diplomatic mastery by keeping England and France out of the war was truly awesome. Cudos for also sticking to what he believed to be right. Why is he not first? Because he basically started the civil war lol. He was brash and refused to comprise with Southerners plus his economic policies weren't all that hot too. And who could ever forgive him for giving us Andrew Johnson.


5: KENNEDY, DEMOCRAT

He worked with Republicans, followed TRs foreign policy models ( mostly ), Kept a nice economy, and was the first president to champion equal rights in a big way, plus he started the space race in America. He was morally a really bad guy and handled the bay of pigs disastrously and he was the one who started real involvement in Vietnam. I actually compare him to Bill Clinton, they were very similar.


6: THEODORE ROOSEVELT, REPUBLICAN

My personal favorite. A progressive Republican, what's better than that!. He's actually more of a tie for 5 but I put here because he botched the 1912 elections and allwed that son of a bitch named Wilson ( I really really hate Wilson ) to get into office. He had the sense to help farmers and was the people's champion ( this is best scene in his war on steel ) and was the original author of the best Foreign policy in my opinion.



7: BILL CLINTON, DEMOCRAT

^^ look at Kennedy and that's basically Clinton with different circumstances



8: FILMORE, WHIG ( Conservatives )

He kept the nation together and was the last President to basically keep the shit from bursting fourth, that took talent. If I remember, he did relatively good in all categories



9: EISENHOWER, REPUBLICAN.

I put him here because of his fantastic Equal rights/Economy record. He actually wasn't bad in many areas but foreign policy ( he was a bit aggressive fur my taste ) he just didn't do enough great stuff to get higher on here





10: ANDREW JACKSON, DEMOCRAT

People rave about him all the time but really, what was so great about him?. Jackson was responsible for what is considered the worst era for native Americans. He claimed frontiersmen all supported his actions ( Davy Crockett proved this to be bullshit ). I do however appreciate how he was probably the first people's president and did some great things for small business owners





RELATIVELY GOOD PRESIDENTS WHO DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THIS LIST:

Nixon, McKinley, Jefferson, Monroe, Hayes, Obama.




WORST PRESIDENTS:

Jimmy Carter, Bush W ( For Iraq and 08, otherwise, he was mediocre not terrible ) Andrew Johnson, LBJ.






BEST PRESIDENTS IN EACH CATEGORY

ECONOMY: Reagan/FDR

FOREIGN POLICY: Theodore Roosevelt, Kennedy, Washington, Reagan, Truman, Lincoln, Monroe.

DOMESTIC ISSUES: Obama, LBJ ( Eh, he signed the most important human rights bill in American history ) Kennedy, Eisenhower, Lincoln ( He fought a bloody for my nigga ass lol )

PERSONAL FAVORITES: Theodore Roosevelt, Truman ( All about that Marshall Plan y'all ) Washington, Reagan ( we have a love hate relationship )

Edited 5/31/2016 20:52:52
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 20:56:01


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LBJ ( Eh, he signed the most important human rights bill in American history )

And apparently it's true intents have worked.

"I've have those (Word people from Texas in the 60s used) voting Democratic for the next 200 Years". If your opinion of someone is based truly off of one document, you aren't looking at the whole picture. LBJ cheated and had more scandals than Nixon for sure, but Nixon is blown out of the water by the snarky Democrats.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 20:58:54


KCt4th
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Nice shilling Jew
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 20:59:24


[WOLF] The Conservative
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^^ If you payed enough attention to my report, I put him as one of the worst. It would look stupid for me not to include the guy who signed the bloody Bill.

Edited 5/31/2016 20:59:37
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:00:03


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Abraham Lincoln was a traitor to every American (see my anti-Lincoln argument) and FDR drove our nation from the Great Recession into the Great Depression and caused the greatest domestic problems in our modern nation, the social welfare systems.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:05:56


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Indeed Paugcuck
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:07:46


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My personal list:

1. Ronald Reagan (Republican)

2. George W. Bush (2000-2008, Republican)

3. James K. Polk (Democrat)

4. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)

5. Andrew Jackson (Democrat)

WORST PRESIDENTS:

1. Bill Clinton (Democrat)

2. Barack Obama (Democrat)

3. Abraham Lincoln (Republican)

4. John F. Kennedy (Democrat)

5. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat)
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:10:06


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>best foreign policy
>Reagan

wow you are so susceptible to propaganda

Gorbachev did all the heavy lifting for what people claim he did.

However Reagan was good, as was FDR. Obama is a damn good president imo. Gets a lot of hate. Clinton was a fantastic president, in recent history. Lincoln was decent. G. Washington was terrible, slave owner. Kennedy was really good. Bernie would be the best they've ever had, but Hill Clinton will be up above Bill probably.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:12:45


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^^ If you payed enough attention to my report, I put him as one of the worst. It would look stupid for me not to include the guy who signed the bloody Bill.

Contradicting:

BEST PRESIDENTS IN EACH CATEGORY

ECONOMY: Reagan/FDR

FOREIGN POLICY: Theodore Roosevelt, Kennedy, Washington, Reagan, Truman, Lincoln, Monroe.

DOMESTIC ISSUES: Obama, LBJ ( Eh, he signed the most important human rights bill in American history ) Kennedy, Eisenhower, Lincoln ( He fought a bloody for my nigga ass lol )

PERSONAL FAVORITES: Theodore Roosevelt, Truman ( All about that Marshall Plan y'all ) Washington, Reagan ( we have a love hate relationship )


Edited 5/31/2016 21:12:57
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:14:30


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Must be cool to be Clinton's intern.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:16:52


KCt4th
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Nixon is one of my fav presidents. He was redpilled.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:20:20


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Obama is a damn good president

> Threatens to remove funding for schools if they refuse to make .3% of the population comfortable by allowing men in bathrooms

> Threatens the rights of individual Americans and states by forcing the legalization of gay marriage through (though the Supreme Court approved it, he raised the debate)

> Continually stomps on the right to arm yourself to protect your family with anti-gun laws.

> Created Obamacare, a HUGE flop that crushed the individual's right to not have healthcare (effectively saying the government owns your body so fck you).

> Has not done as he promised in removing troops from the Middle East drawing billions into his useless battles for "human rights".

> Has caused the American people to continually victimize themselves so they feel bad about themselves and want the government to save them rather than make changes for them self.

BUT DON'T WORRY, he's a good president.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:33:14


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I'd run out of bullets in a hall of live US presidents.

However Reagan was good, as was FDR

Reagan? Heck no, he invaded Grenada, aided the Mujahadeen, and lied about most of his economic policies. Escalated the war on drugs too.

Obama is a damn good president imo. Gets a lot of hate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

More needed, or are you still in love with Bush part two?

Clinton was a fantastic president

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

Lincoln was decent

Fighting a defensive war and preventing Balkanization of a area (which would result in many wars), essentially freeing the slaves (wasn't his intention at the start, nor was he doing it purely for it, but it's better than not doing it), etc gets you a average score, but waging a dozen imperial wars across the world gets you a good score? OxtheImperial sounds more proper.

G. Washington was terrible, slave owner

There are over a million non-violent offenders in US prisons. They have not committed any real crimes, and are forced to work often. That's slavery. And yes, Obama is a slave owner, and many other presidents were too because of this.

Kennedy was really good

Didn't blow us all up, good enough.

As to Bernie and Clinton, you already know my opinions.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:37:04


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> Threatens to remove funding for schools if they refuse to make .3% of the population comfortable by allowing men in bathrooms
Ok this was a bad decision, lol.
> Threatens the rights of individual Americans and states by forcing the legalization of gay marriage through (though the Supreme Court approved it, he raised the debate)
Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know you hated equality, prejudiced redneck fuck.
> Continually stomps on the right to arm yourself to protect your family with anti-gun laws.
GOOD. It's a shame he hasn't got further!
> Created Obamacare, a HUGE flop that crushed the individual's right to not have healthcare (effectively saying the government owns your body so fck you).
Free healthcare is a right you should have. Obama is putting the country in a step towards the right direction. Not the dark ages.
> Has not done as he promised in removing troops from the Middle East drawing billions into his useless battles for "human rights".
Better than Republicans (particularly Tea Party) who would "carpet bomb" Syria... LIKE WHAT THE FUCK?
> Has caused the American people to continually victimize themselves so they feel bad about themselves and want the government to save them rather than make changes for them self.
Government should save people. It should have a high involvement in people's lives, to help them out in stuff. Not a nanny state, but free tuition, free healthcare, and free education should be rights (like Scotland).
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:37:16


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F. Roosevelt, and H. Truman are probably the worst American presidents to date. Colossal fearmongering and warmongering. Raegan was an antagonistic confrontational militarist bastard.

All America's best presidents have been before the 1930s. Really, before the 1800s. I mean the Barbary Wars were kind of justifiable, and maybe even the American-British War, but the wars upon Indigenous folk? Not justifiable one bit, arguably the darkest times in the American past. Genocide, often.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:38:33


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Kennedy was really good


Didn't blow us all up, good enough.


Came close. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 21:56:03


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Yes, that's the point. He managed not to blow us up, so either he was a ok president or he changed the difficulty to very easy. Either way, I'm happy.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:07:08


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Habeas Corpus would disagree with you putting Lincoln on this list.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:08:23


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* slips out the back door *
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:09:28


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Nixon was great
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:10:18


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Here's Wikipedia's aggregate rankings for comparison:

1. Lincoln
2. FDR
3. Washington
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy Roosevelt
6. Truman
7. Wilson
8. Jackson
9. Eisenhower
10. Polk

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:20:47


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Both the Roosevelts were war criminals
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:21:30


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Ehh, more a less pretty close except I don't understand why Reaen isn't there.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:32:13


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Look, my objective wasn't to create an atmosphere more overly dramatic then the Clone Wars ( If you got that joke, I love you #StarWars ) but to just think it over. Please don't get personal or anything.



Anyhow, I will back my list up. I fully support everything I put on here. In retrospect, I might have contradicted myself with Johnson but let's just say besides equal rights, I fucking hate his ass ( Although Nominating Goldwater was a desperate ass move by Republicans lol ). Juq, you pretty much go to the right or left of what ever I say for fun lol. Ox, I think your probably victim of the counter propaganda movements propaganda. People get so caught up in running around screaming everything is propaganda that they don't actually realize that they themselves are part of a propaganda mission ( Classic example of this can be found in Smedly. Sorry Smedly lol I love you you little conspiracy theorist lol ). Reagan and Gorbachev both played big roles in those negotiations, equal credit is due. Also, for someone who supports government involvement in everything your sure quick to press the ' Everything government says is a lie ' button. Ox, if your gonna trust the government with your health care than learn to trust official negotiation history from the 80s lol baby steps my friend, all goals are reached through baby steps.

Edited 5/31/2016 22:35:55
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:35:49


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Some things about Jackson...

He vetoed more bills than all previous presidents combined. He only vetoed 12 bills. What was more notable was the fact that he was the first president to veto a bill for reasons beyond their constitutionality.

Additionally... Yes, his Indian policy was abhorrent. However, he was doing what he thought was best for them. He feared that many southerners would continue to encroach on the lands in spite of any treaties made with the tribes who got removed (especially when gold was discovered on Cherokee lands in the late 1820's). Some historians have made the argument that in spite of some of the hardships, some tribes only survived because of the relocation. Additionally, the policy of removal was widely accepted as appropriate by many politicians, to include Van Buren, Jackson's VP and the president under which many Indians were actually removed. None of this makes the removal policy right, but any criticism of it needs the appropriate context.

Plus, if we're giving people like Fillmore bonus points for holding the Union together, we have no choice but to give significant credit for Jackson's handling of the nullification crisis. When combined with the fact that his victory at the Battle of New Orleans also helped negate the Hartford Convention's secession arguments, it can be argued that only a very select few did more to preserve the union between the states.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:37:21


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^ Very interesting argument. I will definitely do some more reading on Jackson
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:39:18


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No, no.

I trust publicly employed doctors with my health care.

I don't trust American presidents.

Biiiig difference.
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:46:03


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tl;dr dogberry
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:49:10


Dogberry
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The Conservative, I can't ask for more than that :-)
The Conservatives Top 8 US Presidents Plus: 5/31/2016 22:50:03


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@Conservative:

Some of the polls in Wikipedia's rating were conducted during Reagan's presidency or immediately after it. Moreover, opinion on Reagan's probably more polarized politically than opinion on earlier presidents, since the US electorate has generally become more polarized since 1992- approval ratings are now incredibly skewed based on your political party.
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