lol. I'm done responding to you, Nauz. There's no point.

I didn't earn the spot in A. 101st did. And that is the point.

Clans don't earn things. Players do. Not one of the players that did so is still in 101st.

It's true that when Lynx was made they were forced to start back at the bottom while 101st remained in A.

The precedent therefore implies that 101st should be in A next season.

Fuck the precedent. It was an error last time, and we don't need to continue making the same errors over and over simply so as to not rock the boat. The goal is to improve as a society, not to continue making bad decisions because they were made in the past.

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honestly, I find this very unfair decision.
which division will play 101st?
all the numbers mean nothing! it is a moral story!!
if I decide with a majority of Lynx players to create another clan, then my clan will Div A?
How can you reward the one who betrayed?
Nevermind if they have 13% win! It s their spot!
how many did WG this CL?
I think M hunter largely the level to play in Division A! why not give them a spot in div A

soooo Unfair!! i hope u ll change your mind!

ps: nothing against u outlaw. it s just not your spot!
u decided to create a new clan. no problem!! start at bottom like all new clan

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@Nauz

"Clan League 8 Division B Official Thread"

"Clan League"

"Clan"


I'd like to point out that there are other ways of deciding this so that both sides feel satisfied, or at least equally ripped off.

After all the fighting we had to do to get Hydra to replace Illuminati in C, I find it appalling that it was so easy to steal a seat in A.

Seriously. That stinks of corruption.

It also says a lot that the two people running this whole league are members of A-list clans, with no representation from clans that aren't in the competitive "inner group", of which 101st, controlled through Lynx, was a member. This is not an acceptable abuse of power by the league overlords. People have already complained about elitism ruining the competitive Warlight scene before, and this scandal only serves to worsen the problem.

The clan is nothing more than a collection of players. They didn't win B because they were named 101st. They won B because of the skill and hard work the people playing put into winning.

The goal isn't to make everyone feel ripped off. The goal should be to avoid making anyone feel ripped off.

101st wasn't going to benefit from playing in A. They were going to get clobbered. Division A in general wasn't going to benefit from 101st's inclusion, it'd have watered down the competition immensely. The reason people play in CL is to compete.

Basically, you have two decisions:
Outlaws is in A: which results in people playing in divisions they are competitive in, which results in a more competitive CL.

Or you can do the opposite, which results in a clan at the bottom that has no business being there, a clan at the top that's going to get demolished, and have the rankings hold little to no meaning for either clan till several seasons have passed resulting in equilibrium being re-achieved.


What you seem to want is something fair to the "101st name". What I am much more interested in seeing, as are the CL panel clearly - is a decision that is fair to the people that played in the prior clan league. As is you're all bitching that you lost the privilege to do something you hadn't earned, and wouldn't have benefited from.

Worry less about principal, and fairness to a name and idea, and more about fairness to people. People do things, companies, clans, coalitions, etc. do not, they're just imaginary constructs.

"The clan is nothing more than a collection of players. They didn't win B because they were named 101st. They won B because of the skill and hard work the people playing put into winning."

they played for 101st! if they did not want, they should not do

There's also the possibility of having Outlaws play for 101st... That's what I meant by "I'd like to point out that there are other ways of deciding this so that both sides feel satisfied, or at least equally ripped off.": this solution could either be seen as great or terrible, from either side. I personally think it's the closest we can get to the best of both worlds; Outlaws players playing where they deserve, and the clan's spot in question staying with the clan promoting.

I 100% agree we would get our asses handed to us in div A, but as I said, there are a handful of players here that could hold their own (somewhat). From there, adding more experienced, stronger players would help both advance the actual 101st members as well as it might be enough to help 101st compete in div 1. Maybe not for a top 3 finish, but maybe against relegation.

All petty argument aside, I feel like 101st is overall a pretty good clan with a good general concept of strategy. They're a lot better than before because of a lot of training they've been getting, and I think that it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they got the A spot. Certainly a consideration in my mind. On a completely different note, There's a lot of harsh talk and petty insults in this thread honestly you people need to act like the adults you are and calm down. Thanks for reading.
-Brad

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I don't really think that idea would work. I also think it'd be worse for 101st members.

What's better to you, being in a clan that's in "A", but not playing in CL for it, or being in a lower division and playing, and making an impact in the clans long-term ranking?

Honestly, were I a member of 101st, I'd rather be in a lower division, but part of the lineup, than in a higher division and have players more likely to win from another clan take my spot in the tournaments.

I haven't read everything that been posted so I'll just make this one point:

CL Management just changed the format of CL Season 9 so clans at the bottom of the league can promote to Division B in one season.

"Fuck the precedent". It would be nice if the precedent ended before last season.
After season 7 all but one member of LEA's clan league team moved to ACME. The leadership of LEA was really cool about things and even offered to swap Divisions with us. but we were told that the spot belongs to the CLAN so even though essentially the entire team moved the CLAN keep the spot.
I have zero interest in video game clan politics but it seems like there are different rules for different clans and that's bullshit.

"After season 7 all but one member of LEA's clan league team moved to ACME. The leadership of LEA was really cool about things and even offered to swap Divisions with us. but we were told that the spot belongs to the CLAN so even though essentially the entire team moved the CLAN keep the spot.
I have zero interest in video game clan politics but it seems like there are different rules for different clans and that's bullshit."

I agree that double standards are bad. But, sometimes it's hard to pinpoint the difference between double standards, or corruption, vs. evolution.

Peoples views change over time. I don't think someone is corrupt because their view over time on a topic changes. I also don't think such evolution is an absolute sign of double standards.

If, however, right now, or after next season another similar scenario came up and it was handled the way it was in the past before this scenario - I'd call it out as being bullshit.

Ok, all other things aside...

Why in hell would then CL organizers/panel allow Lynx training academy to play the same division as Lynx?

+1
If they had used this reasoning, then 101st can't be in the same div as Lynx. Outlaws, well they are a NEW clan. Go to the bottom.

YOU CAN NOT USE THE SKILL ARGUMENT Come on guys~ Could a new clan just pop up in Div B, cus they are good? Pretty sure MH started at the bottom. It is just not a usable argument.

If it was my ruling, 101st would be in B, and Outlaws with the rest of the clans.

This decision is wrong in so many ways!
@nauz, sounds like u got just a little grudge against Lunx/101st.
1: not knowing the full history regarding to how long each player have been in 101st, this mistake would mean if just enough players from a current roster decides to make their own clan for what ever reason they will replace the old one.
Did these guys bring them from bottom to B? No, they joined knowing how the conditions were joining 101st not liking the way Lynx did things, leaves them with two options:
1: make a new clan and fight ur way up through the leagues.
2: join another clan in A/B league if the players skill level justifies it.
Ofc it's the clans spot not the players, saying 101st would get slaughtered in league A, so what? then they are in B next season. Who says they wouldn't make up for the loss of all these players within CL9 would begin in probable several months from now? It would be a lot easier to attract new good players if u have a A/B league spot than not even knowing where u will begin now.
Now any clan won't be safe from season to season not knowing if a significant part of the current rosters are leaving them to build a new clan and therefore they would be intitled their previous clans place according to this verdict.
There is a huge difference between leaving cause u don't like the circumstances which the clan are being runned or being thrown out.

Mifran's fully right. And you all know that.

Tbh, this decision doesn't make ANY sense. Any. The whole message of council's decision is like : "Here's the 2 arguments why we think Outlaws will get that spot, let's forget the 54 obvious arguments why this spot belongs to 101st."

Hey, no hard feelings, I have good friends in Outlaws, but anyone saying this decision is not plain ridiculous, must be kidding or lying to himself.

Oh and don't start to say my opinion is distorted because I'm a Lynx : because indeed I'm a Lynx, not 101st. We're two different clans and I don't really care for me if 101st is divA or not. But this, is just unfair, this clan earned this promotion and I don't see why it would lose it.

Oh and Nauz', dont start to act like a pr*ck by saying 101st has no competent player blablabla. There are 3 players who would surely slaughter you on MME SR. :p

This for sure, will make a lot of noise in the days coming. But understand that it won't make noise because people doesn't like your decision. It will because this decision doesn't. make. sense.

just to say:

http://imgur.com/a/p88oG

Are you serious guy?
The Cl Concil are so corrupt?

no discussion, the spot is for the clan that plays in the CL.
Who play? 101 ...

Players are more important than the clan?
You are crazy!
You fight for a clan otherwise do not get a clan.
It is the same crap that multitag

Edited 10/16/2016 09:09:12