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The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 20:53:16


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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It was, because without Japan civilizing half of Asia they thus helped to built South Corea and Indochinese Nations and Taiwan. The remaining parts of Asia stayed uncivilised, such as North Corea, China, Russia, Australia,etc.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:04:15


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It's either kill 200,000 with nukes, or risk 200,000+ dying in more slaughters

You need proof of this, I have provided quotes directly from generals and the US military itself stating after the fact that this was not necessary and that Japan would surrender without the bombings or an invasion. I have cited books as well, that show the statements about how the casualties would be lower than 500K too.

Yeah, that's why a sizable chunk of the military brass tried to pull a coup when they heard about a possible surrender.

A brigade of soldiers held the Imperial Palace for a night. That's not a sizeable chunk.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:05:11


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The first nuke was tested in the desert on U.S soil. Additionally, the U.S used several remote islands later on to test nuclear devices. The whole conspiracy theory about the U.S using Japan for a "test" is total bunk, there was plenty of other places to do it.

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The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:06:13

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Castle Bravo contamination[edit]

The unexpectedly large yield, combined with other factors, led to the most significant accidental radiological contamination caused by the United States. A few minutes after the detonation, blast debris began to fall on Eneu/Enyu Island on Bikini Atoll where the U.S crew that triggered the device were located. When their geiger counters detected the unexpected fallout, they were forced to shelter in place indoors for a number of hours before it was safe enough for an airlift rescue operation to be carried out.[18]

After impacting Eneu, the fallout continued to spread across the inhabited islands of the Rongelap, Rongerik, and Utrik Atolls. The inhabitants of Rongelap and Rongerik Atolls were evacuated by US servicemen two days after the detonation, but the residents of the more distant Utrik Atoll weren't evacuated for three days.[19][20] Many of the inhabitants soon began to show symptoms of acute radiation syndrome. They returned to the islands three years later but were forced to relocate again when their islands were found to be unsafe.[21]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_testing_at_Bikini_Atoll



I don't know why test with *huge* nukes. Maybe smaller "mock" models would work as well.
Unless it is to show how much military power you have if you can manufacture super gigantic heavy nuke bombs.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:06:46


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You've cited nothing. Anyone can put something in quotes and call it official. Where's the actual sources?

A brigade of soldiers held the Imperial Palace for a night. That's not a sizeable chunk.

Soldiers backed by high-ranking officers.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:07:13


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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Tough they used Japan. It ain´t bunk. It´s reality. Confirmed by the US-military itself.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:26:00


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The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:35:47


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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Idk, you can link it a hundred times, yo stupid redneck, but I won´t read it, that´s all I know.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 21:47:02


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Smedley stop shilling for Japan.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 22:05:51


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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JAPAN!!!!
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 22:06:20


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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eys mgsb
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 22:07:49


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There was a surrender offer, but the US wanted inconditionnal surrender, a thing Japan didn't wanted as it was a threat to the imperial institution and Japan's integrity. And I don't think that they wanted to test the A-bomb in Japan, they knew it worked, was more of a sign of strengh to the world that America was the big boss there. But as a matter of efficiency, it was a waste of money. Conventional bombings did more damage with a bigger kill rate without the need of a billionaire research program and more to manufacture the first bombs.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 22:09:29


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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THAT`S pretty MUCH of WHAT I SAID, yo´thief....referring to Team Guns.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 22:23:40


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Hmmmm, I'm pretty sure I didn't intended to steal "your idea". As a matter of fact I barely read every person's post, I ignore a lot and I read very fast. I guess you should be proud to have reached the same conclusions I did ;)
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 22:58:43


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Why sacrifice any American lives when you can finish them off with 2 destructive bombs?

The bombings were justified. It secured unconditional victory, showed the world the power of the bomb, and saved American lives.

Only a idiot would think to judge tough decisions from hindsight.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/22/2016 23:37:35


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Why sacrifice any American lives when you can finish them off with 2 destructive bombs?

You wouldn't have had to, just blockade them and wait for the talks to finish, and occupy.

It secured unconditional victory

Which was useless because the one Japanese demand was for the emperor to retain his titles, which the Americans were ok with anyway.

showed the world the power of the bomb

Showing your hand needlessly is dumb. Even from your immoral stance I could think of a few ways that using the bomb in a different way would have produced better results for America, especially with a non-Nuclear Soviet Union.

Only a idiot would think to judge tough decisions from hindsight.

It wasn't a tough decision if pretty much all the generals were telling you not to do it and that it was awful and unneeded. It's just you deciding to do it to show off. And if you're trolling fine then, but you don't judge decisions from hindsight? We should invade Iraq, Canada, Iran and Saudi Arabia then, there's nothing to tell us it would go badly.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/23/2016 00:14:19


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I bet you wish for a nuclear weapons clear world too MGSB...
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/23/2016 00:34:36


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You shouldn't judge decisions after the results are made. You need to go back to the mindset of the decision being made before the results was shown.

I recall that the military advised JFK to nuke the soviets during the missile crisis. Sometimes you need to disobey the advice of counsel.

The enemy deserved no shots of negotiating after Pearl Harbor. You get what you get or you are bombed.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/pacific-operation-downfall/

Edited 7/23/2016 00:36:07
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/23/2016 01:14:12


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You shouldn't judge decisions after the results are made. You need to go back to the mindset of the decision being made before the results was shown.

"In 1945 ... , Secretary of War Stimson visited my headquarters in Germany, [and] informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act.... During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and second because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face.' The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude, almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusions."


My opinion stands even without the results.

The enemy deserved no shots of negotiating after Pearl Harbor. You get what you get or you are bombed.

Go to hell. What the fuck did tens of thousands of civilians do for that? Oh, they're within a certain geographic area, they deserve to die because you can't accept one term, or you can't wait a few fucking months for some prick miles away to sign some papers to stop your conflict.

Let's say that after Midway, the Japanese wanted to sign a treaty, but had the terms of retreating just from American and European territory gotten. Using your logic, tens of thousands of folk on both sides should fight and die, because they "deserve no shots of negotiation".
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/23/2016 03:05:26


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They supported a government that caused the deaths of millions, it's as much as a war crime as the soldier who did the actual killing.

You support a government that has caused millions of deaths. Don't you deserve to die then?

Also, what did all those children deserve for it?


Note, this means me and X are the most morally virtuous by far, and therefore we should decide what happens in regards to laws and actions, as we are the most righteous. Also, we should run local courts.

Edited 7/23/2016 03:10:14
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