Honestly, I couldn't care less if George Washington had a slave's teeth. The important part is whether he killed the slave and took his teeth or whether he took teeth off of a dead or dieing slave. OR did somebody else already kill the slave and the teeth were going to be thrown away but George Washington decided not to be wasteful? Or did his parents make that decision for him? Did George Washington know he had slave's teeth?

More evidence is needed before I can make a moral judgement on the character of the USA's founder.

The only "fact" that I was insulted by was that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist but I will cede that even greedy, power hungry, Socialists can have a few good ideas, if only by accident.

I disagree with anything which implies change is always good, which is very false. Change can be very bad in some cases, some ideas should be intensely rejected. Change can be good too, but it all depends on whats changing. Changing the right things makes the world better. Change the wrong things and it all falls apart.

this comic sums up well science vs belief. people could use with more critical thinking, too bad it's not practiced in schools much.

^ An intelligent, well-educated, productive populace is good for tax revenue. A politically active and attentive populace is dangerous.

Every idea must have some thought to make and some thought to take, eklipse. The best way to change your ideas though is if you do the reading yourself.

I am very disappointed by this comic. It advocates an open mind, but yet is very US-Americacentric.
It only mentions US-Politicians and measures Napoleon in Imperial-units.

Of course.

This comic does not advocate critical thinking. It advocates listening to opposing opinions and then accepting them as facts.

So instead of calling Tabby a racist for his racist views, I'm supposed to listen to his racist views, believe them, and then become a racist myself.

Racism is positive in most contexts

Oh really? Cool. I'm going to just accept that as fact and believe it now, because that's what this comic says I should do.



Racism is good!

Edited 5/7/2017 22:17:37

Wally intentionally misinterprets the comic just to be a dick

No he just can't grasp it

If you think I'm misrepresenting it, you either didn't read it carefully or you didn't understand what you read.

He did not differentiate between valid and invalid new information, between truth and lies. He said to listen to what others say and then abandon your previously held beliefs based on this new information.

The point people are taking away is a good one, to have an open mind, to be willing to change ones views. That's just not the point he made. At all.

My hypothesis is that there are flying pigs on Neptune. You need to prove my hypothesis wrong.

Both are not really good at understanding others or debating.

That's not what this is about.

So it's 'about' something other than what it says? All I know is what it says. It says to listen to others, accept their opinions as facts, and then change your own beliefs to match the opinions you've just heard. It does not provide any instructions or mechanism for filtering or assessing or critically analyzing new opinions.

Edited 5/8/2017 15:15:34

Wally, the point of the comic is not to change your beliefs. The point is to change your neurological reaction to opposing viewpoints. The comic doesn't want you to go from Pro-Choice=>Pro-life. but rather not be insulted when somebody says something Pro-life.

I think the comic advocates for a good "state of mind" when discussing politics but nothing beyond that.

Wally, the point of the comic is not to change your beliefs

I'm not interested in what you think the point was, I'm only interested in what it actually says.

Maybe you should write a letter to the comic and tell him what he said does not support the point you believe he was trying to make.

Change here refers to changing ones beliefs. That's not what I *think* the point was, that's what he actually said when he repeatedly referred to our beliefs changing in response to hearing new opinions.

Well said, Tabby. Overall, I think science will advance to a point where we won't need traditional pregnancy to create people. When such a procedure becomes cheap enough for large scale use, I imagine that the government or private charities will take unwanted pregnancies and serve them to term before putting them in foster care or adoption services.

Until then, I consider myself Pro-life, with exceptions. Namely, life of the mother. Additionally, birthing somebody with a painful, untreatable disability can be considered cruel.

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Damn, I was ninjaed by Wally.

Quote from comic: "I'm not here to... tell you what to believe." Case closed.

Edited 5/8/2017 16:35:03

"That wasn't the point"

I repeat: I don't care what you think the point was. If what he said and what you think the point was contradict one another, what he said wins.