Miyagi will play for masters I presume.

If both 20 and apex can get 6 members, then it comes down to whether the clans actually want the change from 4 to 6 membes required. Also good to note is that this will require each player of a 6-player clan to play 3 tournaments which could deter some. If apex and 20 can't get 6, it seems stupid to change to a 6 team format...logging off for tonight, Chris, maybe add your thoughts on why the changes are good on here so the clan leaders can see both sides of the debate and decide which they prefer. I am only playing devils advocate because I want to see the clan league continue to prosper.

Well, the reason to increase it is that it makes all 3 player amounts (1s, 2s, 3s) worth the same total points. So that one does not outweigh the other.

Another reason is that many clans (say you have 8-10 who want to play) will be forced to bench players or have their best players play 1 maybe 2 formats with the current setup. It allows for more participation from a clan.

My proposal is that we limit each clan member to 4 templates, ignoring whether it is 1s, 2s, 3s. Since they are all weighted equally in the proposed format, it does not matter where the player is used. So if there are 18 player slots (11 formats), 5 players can cover all 18 spots with 2 to spare. That way a clan does not need 6 players.

Come on now, where's USW

I'm curious, was this set up before the clan drama? UN is filled with inactives now. Its a ghost clan. There's like 2-3 people that came back.

Both 20 and apex are willing and able to field 6 people if necessary, just don't want to if we don't have to.

I would prefer 3 groups of 8 over A B C D groups, cause then it would take way too long for new clans to work their way up the ranks. Also I wonder if some clans will participate next season. I assume we won't have final groups until we get confirmation at the end of this season.

Keeping the C groups split is a dumb idea, sorry Miyagi. Please refer to frank/chokecherry's promotion/relegation league to see how promotions and relegations work with multiple newbie groups.

I think a clan league format for larger clans where more players get to participate would be great. Maybe that can be a separate event. I know Gui was trying to get something like that going but it fizzled out pretty quickly.

i agree with jsa in most, except the 6 players thing. i think its good that you must have atleast 6 good 1v1 players to have a chance here.

also its silly that C is splitted. should be made a D with the bottom 3 in each C group.

i didnt read any of the above posts, make 4 groups, points system should remain the same (2 points 1v1s, 3 points 2v2, 4 points 3v3). 3v3 should remain as EU, 2v2s should be 1 Medium Earth and 1 EU or rome, and then maybe 2 1v1 medium earth and then 1v1 on EU or whatever map.

i think that SNinja might be interested... if it is open registration then i will ask my clan mates if they would like to participate.

Good point sky, I think USW would do pretty good in this :)

Well, you can't make groups too large (8 in a group means a lot of games in RRs). Especially if you are increasing the template amount. If you also increase the group size that is a lot of extra games. I think 6 clans per group should be the target amount.

But I agree with Banana, turn it into C and D now that none of them are new to league.

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I'm not sure how popular this is, but I'd be willing to go even smaller. Smaller groups mean quicker seasons. I would be fine with 5 or even 4 clans per level. This also creates opportunities for larger clans like REGL to use more players over a span of time (switch out between seasons) but doesn't hurt smaller clans at all.

I would be fine with that too, especially if clans like apex are worried about the increased game load. But that would all need to be voted on IMO. The trouble is where do you cut it off? Since many good clans have not had a shot at league A yet, you'd be potentially denying them a promotion. Assuming the standings don't change a ton...WG/WM/Apex have proven to be the top tier. If you went to 4 clans, it would be very hard to select that last spot. I would say you'd have to stick with 5 at least and include the promotions from B (101st and Masters). Anything else would not be fair. But the issue there is you do end up relegating an extra 2 clans from A. I am sure the two clans that finish 4th and 5th (out of AHol, VIW, GG) would not be happy about that. Also, that generates ripple effects down (XS or 20 would miss a promotion). I think it can't be cut to more than 6 clans, but sometimes you'd have to do 7 (because there are too many C promotions. Maybe like this?:


A League
WG
WM
Apex
Masters
101st
AHol/VIW/GG (4th place from current season)

B league
AHol/VIW/GG (5th place from current season)
AHol/VIW/GG (6th place from current season)
[20]
XS
XCD
French
BIA

C league
Warlighters
Blitz
REGL
Dragon
BR
? (highest score from team listed in D league list)

D league
Gladiators
bajtan
G spot
turtle
UN
Cavaliers

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SNinja is interested if we can join

gg- you'd be in D on my list (and one team would move up to C). But you probably need to send Miyagi profiles for your team (if you have it).

I am not in favor of having groups contain fewer than 7 teams... we went into the season expecting 2 relegations only. It'd kinda suck if the 5th place team gets relegated from group A.

Honestly, the one thing I'd object on that list is the fact that all 4 non-promoting clans from group B were relegated.

Pushover - the 5th place clan in A from last season was relegated (REGL). Only WM/WG/Apex/AHol were in A last season and this season.

I'm not saying it should be that way, but it would have to be if the league size was trimmed. Perhaps trimming the league size is not the best way. I just offered that as an alternative because there was concern about increasing the amount of games.

If you went to less than 6 it would have to start with season 6, but you'd set season 5 up to work into it. You couldn't just jump to that right now. You would go to 6 now, then split something like this after the season

A = top 4 from A
B = other 2 from A + top 2 from B
C = middle 2 from B + top 2 from C
D = bottom 2 from B + middle 2 from C
E = bottom 2 from C + top 2 from D
F = other 4 from D

I agree IF you change the league size, it must be known going into a season. That way the teams competing know what slots are getting relegated and promoted.

My list was meant as more of an example of how that would break down based on the current season.

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