First: Did not participate

Second (1 Lynx, 6 101st, 2 Retired)
Grickface -> 101st
Blowfly -> 101st
Freedom Crusader -> 101st
KGB138! -> Retired
Apollo -> Lynx
Morphine70 -> 101st
Clemountch -> 101st?, hasn't joined the official clan
MangaMinx -> 101st
gajowy88 -> Retired
We finished 13th and still got into Group B so I have NO clue how this was ranked

Third (2 101st, 3 Lynx, 2 Invited, 1 Retired, 1 Other)
Riyamitie -> Not in a clan, invited to Lynx*
Gambler -> WM
General Charles -> 101st, invited to Lynx
Unreality -> Lynx
Apollo -> Lynx
Dom365 -> Lynx
gRrEn -> 101st
Krawat -> Retired
Machiavelly -> 101st

Fourth (6 Lynx, 1 Invited)
JSA -> Lynx
Unreality -> Lynx
Grizzlis -> 101st, invited to Lynx
GreenTea -> Lynx
Dom365 -> Lynx
Hauptmann -> Lynx
Kantos -> Lynx

Season 3/4 Group B scores: http://goo.gl/ge4eY5
101st page: http://warlight.net/Clans/?ID=7
Lynx page: http://warlight.net/Clans/?ID=73

People in the Lynx chat that haven't joined Lynx yet (but have been invited):
Cruass
Grizzlis
General Charles
Pedro Luiz
Riyamitie*

*Amusingly this is a harder choice than I thought since clans are pretty cool but it's nice being free from clans and I have a one-line name on the forums! Yay!

Edited 3/10/2014 06:27:55

Arun, false. Before the season was over he was in Lynx, actually before it started I think. Also, even if he was 101st, that's one of almost a dozen that participated, so your argument is weakly based. And, Lynx is still part of the 101st, it's just the elite section. A clan within a clan if you will.

Those last two sentences... If they are true, Lynx can go to division A, but the 101st cannot compete.

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If the clans really are separate, then Lynx must start from the bottom. What we have here is A MINORITY of a clan splitting off to their own clan. They are a new clan. They must start from the bottom. The precedent must not be set to allow this because frankly, it is ridiculous.

Edited 3/10/2014 07:33:14

Ok the 101st and Lynx join together as Lynx, which Means Lynx goes to group A. How does that sound? 101st will then be new next season.

technically, we are still the same clan but we just have 2 clan pages ;)

Edit: i believe the purpose lynx was formed and created another clan page is just to help other players realize the skill of some 101st and lynx players (although need more improvements still xD). Also, it is just making the players who stay in 101st to know that they still need more improvements than lynx players :D

Edited 3/10/2014 09:56:56

i would rather pay another $15 to make our case follow the cpu->xcd/bia case, where one clan stay at top group of the league, and another group still has a chance to join.

Here is my take....

As you can see from past seasons, the lynx people would not be in A without the 101st people (last season they would have started in C and they would now be in B, just like 20. On the other hand, 101st would not be in A without Lynx either. They would not have won B without them IMO.

So, my idea is a compromise and both play in B this year. Not sure how that effects the number in each league. You could relegate one less team from A or promote one extra from B

Chris, can we just take the CPU approach?

btw your suggestion is going to put the wrong players at wrong groups.

101st players may not suit for group B. While lynx has won group B...

The problem is that with CPU, nobody that was still in CPU had played in the clan league. They were either in BIA, XCD or WG. So current CPU members had no stake in getting the clan where they were in clan leagues. And CPU did not even compete in the clan league this season.

In this case people still in 101st did all the work up until last season, when Lynx people did all the work. So unless 101st comes out and officially gives up their seat at the table (in A division, and starts over at the bottom), then I don't see how Lynx can say they deserve it. Both groups had a hand in getting the clan to A.

So what I am saying is IF 101st agrees to start at the bottom, then I personally have no problem with Lynx being in A. We could go through the hassle of making things legit by changing clan names back and forth but that is a waste of time. But, since 101st still competes in the league, I don't see how you can force their spot away, even if they would get trashed in A and Lynx would have no competition in D. That argument was made for GG/20 but we did not "slot" clans then, so I don't think we can now either. Who is the official leader of 101st now?

Whichever way you will make it other than Lynx starting form the bottom, you will create a precedence for people to game the system. I know it's discouraging, i know it's harsh, but you guys were a PART of clan called 101st, and in the league, you REAPRESENTED that clan, you all credit goes to 101st. not the people who played it.

Imagine Me, gnuff, Red, Sze, piggy, falker, surehand and let's say longhouse leaving WM and creating a new clan.. even if we would be called "WM strike force" before, we would still have to face the fact that we should start from the bottom of the league since the clan we created is new.

As for the question - "assuming 101st and Lynx is still one clan, what if we play this league being called Lynx instead of 101st.. blablabla" It's clearly gaming the system, and i will still bash it.

The only exception from the rule "new clans start from the bottom" i can think of, is actually a comple FUSION of two clans that were already participating, but still i am strongly convinced they should start from the lowest of groups they were competing in.

Another way to address it might be to have super promotions (like the promo league has when a division is swept). So that if a clan wins by a certain margin, they are super promoted two divisions. This would help address the lack of competition in certain leagues when a new clan starts at the bottom.

with just three groups and such a vast difference in skill between them, that's just an overkill, and for some clans, it would be the only way to get to A..

Chris, you have missed the post

from Khalid, the new 101st management, at page 5
>I am one of the newly appointed clan leaders in 101st and I agree with JSA. Lynx players earned the spot in Group A. Why would they be kept out of that deserved spot when they have not cheated? They earned it, let them keep it. We will start at the bottom of the clan league and work our way up.

Anyways, folks!

Lynx is an extension of the 101st. 101st will not be participating except through Lynx. Those in the 101st that wish to participate will have to improve and be promoted to Lynx. Lynx will represent 101st in the Clan League.

Problem solved, round a beer on the house!

Sorted. Lets crack on, I can't be bothered to carry on arguing and reading all of this.

Hauptmann - on this i fully agree. But you keep playing as "101st".

Ok good. But your stoping the 101st from competing.

I'm not stopping anyone. I'm just guarding the rules. If you want to treat Lynx as separate clan, they can compete, but starting form the bottom. That's all I'm saying. It's not that big a deal - they will "easily" go up.. like 20 or GG.. and as for 101st - on skype pushover put an example of VIW - After losing their top players for example to GG, no one expected them to stay in group A, but so far they put a good fight, and were able to hold their spot. So what I'm saying is - i don't want Lynx to abandon 101st AND backstab them by kicking them out of their group. This is ridiculous. There was a clear rule. Some people have ignored it with Bia/xcd situation, but it doesn't make me any less strict. New clans start from bottom. period. no cheat allowed. we've had enough of this shit already - especially in the recent weeks.

I know that. All I'm saying is Lynx is competing for the 101st, so 101st won't get a chance to play.

This seems to be how the posts have gone in this thread (note that many posters are not official leader of clans):

Rules are rules, the precedent was set with GG and 20 starting from bottom:
apex
WM
WG
20
XCD
rp
Warlighters

Lynx should be in A because most of their players got the win (or competition reasons):
VIW
REGL

Have people on both sides of issue:
Blitz
Masters



Not sure where to put Widz. His idea would be a viable solution, if all people wanted to just switch clans.