Gnuffgate is leading to Fizzergate. This is how scandals develop. They tend to be interconnected.

"Why were people so willing to give him their passwords anyhow?" Gnuffgate is also a sex scandal.

"...in my defense, I didn't know most of these scandals." Nobody did/does. Gnuff's arrogance and minor cheating was well known. But few knew how far he would go to pad his stats or appear better than he is/was. What normal people do to pad their stats is child's play for Gnuff. When he first started playing WL he cheated and did things others would never think of. As he learned more about how WL functions, his cheating only became more advanced. He graduated from playing multiple accounts in a 1v1 tournament to playing multiple accounts in the 1v1 ladder; from playing team games all by himself to gain an advantage, to using an alt or friend's account in his opponents' team.

Gnuff is currently asking people in 20 to take screen shots of our conversations there. Even as Gnuffgate rages, he is using Tricky Dick Nixon tactics! No wonder why he was upset when I booted his alt from 20. 20 became the only major clan he didn't have a spy account in.

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From what I understand, Gnuffone had 1-2 alts in gg, master of strategy for sure, and possibly yoda. He once showed me a pic of apex chat back when I was there that I am not sure how he got, he said he has an alt in there but I think that is completely false. He also told me some alts of his that I am very confident he was lying about, and had me convinced for a time that szeweningen=Odin, and jv=pulsey(I can't believe either of these anymore). The 14-3 loss to relite really got to him I think, and he tried his best to cheat gg as much as possible. He also says he has an alt in 101st, but I never figured out who exactly it was, or if he was just making it up. Also, I think master clan is without a doubt, free from gnuffones influence, the ones that seem like they could possibly be alts in the clan have much better English than Gnuffone does. I'm pretty sure he also has a viw alt, but wg appears relatively alt free(except for verz and i don't think he's gnuffone). Ahol is alt free I am sure.

So from what I see, Gnuffone likes to spy on clans that are one of the following: 1. Easy to get into, 2. A threat to WMs power

Using these observations, 101st, viw both fit #1, and 20 and apex and gg and wg fit into #2.

Which makes me ask the question, why has he not put an alt in wg yet? Their prereqs are not hard, verz is very likely an alt and they allowed him in, so why has Gnuffone not put one in here? Or has he?

I can't believe he has an alt in apex bc their clan is different than most. Pretty much to get into apex, u need to be at least a good player but also be fairly well known by the community. This clan is the hardest to get an alt in I think.

Search your clan for Gnuffone alts, look for him saying very little, bad English when he does talk. Don't just assume everyone who doesn't talk much is Gnuffone though, they could also be GUI (jk) or at least I think I'm kidding.

Gnuff has an alt in 20. It is HHH.

Nah, hhh is too good to be Gnuffone. Gnuffone can only dream of his skills.

This thread is very sad, but I guess the truth should be revealed. I really don't like this, and would prefer to not know about this at all, but knowing only half-truth is really not right.

I'm afraid some accusation may not be true, but given current attitude towards Gnuffone are taken as granted without proper evidence...

Yea, that's the core issue to me now, for some things stated here so far I've seen no actual evidence that Gnuffone did them. I'm not saying he didn't, or that he is completely innocent, as I'm convinced he did some of those, some things have been proven enough to me. But about some things here all I know is that "player A", "B", "C" etc. said so...

So, yea, post some evidence please.

You can tell HHH is an alt because he is relatively new, hasn't played many games and is pretty much unknown by the community. I can't believe nobody noticed it sooner.

Master of Strategy talked very little, and didn't play in any games apart from GG tournaments and clan challenges. As far as I remember, his English was better than Gnuffone's, though. I think he put in some extra effort here.

By the way, the only time I joined a livestreamed tournament was because Master of Strategy kept bugging me that he wants to play with me and learn from me. What a waste of time:

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4321803

He told me all these things on Skype, perhaps I can quote it to you on there if you consider that proof (it'd take a very long time to find these things though since we talked a ton).

I think when me and Belzebub, or Belzebub and Michael both are saying Gnuffone did these things, they are true. As Belzebub has said, him and I are pretty much sworn enemies, same with him and Michael. Fridge also backed me and Michael up on the [20a] thing and fridge is the only guy to stand by Gnuffone still. When 3 players that were friends with gnuffone on here all turn on him (Belzebub, myself, flying burrito), it seems indisputable that he did most of these things. I tend to be an honest person, and while I don't really trust Beelzebub much, Gnuffone and he were very good friends on warlight, and people have already backed up some of what he said, so I am inclined to believe him. Plus I definitely believe Gnuffpme being two faced because he often said longhouse and anonymous were bad at team games to me, and also said GUI was better in the past, hhh is overrated, etc.

So, I should simply trust in what 3 people say? That might be enough only if stated properly, enough detailed, checked... so far some of those seem really chaotic. The accusation should be more specific, have some references, etc. And read my post properly, like I said, some things are not properly proved, some of them are.

I really would like to know how people know this and that, who can also confirm that it is true (and how they know), etc.

I.e. I see you talk about him having alt in apex, which I don't think is possible. Absolutely no chance. Show me that screenshot, quote what he said, and I will decide whether it is enough for me to change my mind, or think how this is possible.

I don't know, maybe I'm just weird, but I'm not so prompt to believe in everything posted here.

EDIT: yea, I know some of those are hard / impossible to prove... still, try if you can.

EDIT 2 (specially for TWM, underlined key words): SOME THINGS ARE NOT PROPERLY PROVED, SOME OF THEM ARE.

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Well we know for sure that gnuffone multi accounted in the ladder to get himself to #1 with an insane rating by beating his alt dark vengeance. That is solid fact.

There's is tons of evidence that gnuffone used fridges account. Read the team chat that Falker posted. I think it explains itself

And flying bender himself admitted that gnuffone himself used his account to cheat

We also know for a fact that gnuffone talks trash behind people's back. Sure a lot of players do that, but his is excessive. JSA had showed me the chat.

So there we have 3 solid records of him cheating and one of him being a arrogant/dick player

Good enough for you wiz? :P

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Widzisz seem to be right to ask for evidence though, especially when someone cannot even defend himself.
I'm in no way defending gnuff, in my eyes, someone who brags so much about his achievements in that way shouts to me that he is a born looser.
So it comes at no surprise that he had multiple accounts in many clans to try to appear better then he is.
However Widzisz is right, more evidence is needed before claiming that he has an alt in apex.
Starting with a name maybe, would help a lot.

About apex, I also do not believe he has an alt there. I know he played my account for a bit while I was in apex but the screenshot was before that time I think. One possible explanation is that he looked off the same chat that the screenshot came from and took a screenshot of the apex chat when he had control of my account. However, I think the chat was much older than when he borrowed my account. Possibility #2: gnuffone had a spy friend in apex that let Gnuffone log into his account and see the chat. Possibility #3: gnuffone has an alt in apex.

The screenshot will be nearly impossible to find, me and gnuffone literally chatted for hours a day for a month in a row on skype, I don't care enough to go digging back through it all.

But I think #1 is the most likely possibility, especially since he never provided a newer picture of apex chat. He just likes to bs about alts a lot, kinda like his resume, make himself sound better than he is.

And I am not gonna be able to prove anything without spending a lot of time doing it, so you'll have to just go with what your gut tells you about these things if there's no proof.

Edit: I don't claim he has an alt in apex, I claim he said he does

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Edited 3/9/2014 01:24:39

Evidence of my accusation of cheating (that maybe some don't know about): http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=1962

Gnuff, Gladiator, Inferno all joined a 1v1 tournament. 90% of the time I made these Ancient China 1v1s, Gnuff joined with three accounts. So if he was doing this two years ago, his methods of cheating have only become more sophisticated and complex as he has gained access to friends' accounts and he has deemed the stakes to be higher.

Back then, Gnuff always competed with me in Ancient China 1v1s. We probably played over 30 games. He never won until more recently, after I changed the map more and he improved as a player. But even back then, he would join with three accounts to have three chances to play me. He was very determined to beat me in those tournaments. In one single-elimination tournament I beat him twice. I thought it was funny.

His cheating has always been very much about increasing his chances of achieving his goal. He is very methodical. Over the last year, his goal has been to be recognized as the best player. So the extent of his cheating has increased, to make up for his shortcomings as a player.

The difference between then and now: When a decent/good player cheats a little and still loses, it is humorous. When a top player cheats a lot, it is scandalous.

But ever since Gnuff started playing WL, he has broken rules or cheated. It has only got worse as he has learned how to cheat more effectively and has had more opportunities to cheat.

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As far as I know, Gnuffone did not have alts in apex. He only had access to somebody's account once or twice for a week or so when that somebody was on vacation (similar to when he looked after mine just before the infamous [20]a 3v3)... Whenever he wanted something from apex, he turned to me, because..

I was the one in WM investigation departament who had access to apex chats (and most others). I was fully passive with it and never abused the knowledge. Several times Gnuffone asked me to give him links to the chats (i have no idea what was the reason). I was reluctant, but am sure i gave him the apex chat-link twice or thrice throughout the years..

Food for thought - we started WMID espionage covert ops back in 2012 when Trilussa was still active and it was meant to prevent people from abusing the system, and in the process reveal on the forums what we know, like we did with Beelz's case.. IF what you guys say about Gnuffone is true, then it's even more upsetting that a person who had alts to protect righteousness used them against it..

For the time being I try not to judge, for most of what people say is indeed possible, but in my opinion it's not really proven enough to throw stones on Gnuff. I decided to stay neutral for as long as possible. I don't want to think of my most frequent teammate as a rotten cheat. I prefer to wait for solid proof as Widzisz does.

Gnuffone admitted to FlyingBender having abused his login data yesterday. I won't give the game link, though, FB can give it himself if he wants.

Gnuffone also admitted to FlyingBender two days ago that infiltrating GG with an alt was revenge for 14-3 where I allegedly hacked szeweningen's account.

@GreenDragon: The reason why Gnuffone is not writing anything is not that he is unable. It's because he cannot rebuttle anything that is being said.

@Fridge: Are you aware of Gnuffone sharing the info he got from GG spying, or did he keep it to himself?

Ciekiu, to answer your question:

I was aware of some things you posted on your chat if that's what you are asking about. I also had a couple versions of your e-book. Actually if i recall correctly, it was me who created mannerheim-szeweningen/gangnam "investigation" and tried with gnu to find our if you are or are not the same person with one of the former WM, and that's basically what i did with all the info i've had.

As for FlyingBender - yes. he admitted. but at the same time, he said he did not do it to pick perfect counters, but out of curiousity, after picks (Which does not make it any less wrong, however is a slightly different thing). I'm not defending Gnuff here. I only want to make things straight.

Belzebu wrote:
"the nation cup had to be another of his many fake trophies and he would do anything to win it ,he wanted to disqualify Norway because he thought delpi was an alt of yeon , although it was true , I didnt have the intention to attack yeon and his team for a gnuff's suspect when we deserved to lose , considering also that Italy team wasn't completely fair (I used zebedeus account when he was inactive for the 5vs5 and Gnuff completely abused for the entire competition the flyngTucano/pastafrolla account.....me and flyng stopped him to do that .....how to pretend to go in semifinal when he lost all his games in 1v1,2v2and 3v3 ??? the only games that italy won is my 1vs1 against Panix and me and thanathos against panix/delpi, we were going to win the 5vs5 but gnuff when he realized that he could have never won the competition , he started to play stupid and ask us to surrender and later he let flyngtucano being booted and he surrendered without say nothing...."

Well, DelPi obviously is not my alt. My alt is "YeonAlt" :) I'm not much for subterfuge. I don't think our playing styles are similar either.

Interesting to know that Italy cheated against us.

A clear proof that we (Team Norway) never cover for each other with logins in Nations Cup is our big amount of boots. In fact I think maybe we lost more games on boots than on the board (though thankfully for us we have still won all matches in both Nations Cups). We have done everything by the rules and I hope that is the case of most teams.

Ok, thanks for info. I appreciate it.

#5 the "hedja" announce retirement and continue to say you are quitting for months but in actuality just reduce multi day games

I have 3 games left, quit both ladders, 1 tourny which is never going to end, so when the 3 games finish, which should be soon, I'm gone from wl for good ;)

EDIT:

[GG] Master of Strategy was Gnuff's alt, for you guys that want evidence here it is:

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4769673

After saying in public "with my old account i played only 350 games, only 1v1s, never against you."

He says as soon as the game is over in private chat "i'm sorry for being liar with you, we had play many games. sorry."

I'll copy out the first part of our chat which is about his clan infiltration:



hedja - haha doesnt matter :D

hedja - if you feel i am trustworthy enough not to tell anyone who you are tell me, i am interested

hedja - but if you dont think i can keep a secret then you dont need to :D

MoS - ok, i will trust you.

MoS - I'll give you clues

hedja - what nationality?

MoS - 1) be 1st on aldder 1v1 {funny how his achievements are the first things that he talks about....}

hedja - there have been so many ladder 1v1s :P

MoS - italy. now you know. keep secret, is kinda important.

hedja - number *1s

hedja - flyingbender? gnuff?

MoS - lol don't know bender take 1st lolol

hedja - not flyingbender actually, not a member

hedja - btw why the hell are you in relite if you are in wm :D

MoS - i like spy other clan.

MoS - i am on REGL too.

hedja - do they know you are gnuff?

MoS - anyway i'm going to retire as soon as 20 A ended. {this is 8 months ago btw}

Mos - lol no, nobody know i'm gnuff. only fridge

hedja - what will you do if you reach final with gnuff and this account?

Mos - i was not playing with my acc gnuff, another player was playingwith it, but he fail.
but i cannot tell you who he is, he is retired, and od'nt want say he lay from time to time.

hedja - why tell me it is someone else and then not tell me who it is :P

MoS - because is against rule play with 2 acc live toruney, and unfair.

hedja - wait so you are playing both accounts but say it is someone else so it isnt unfair?

MoS - is unfair if i play with really both.

hedja - why are you as alt and retired plaeyr as you, not other way around?

MoS - gnuff-->a retired player, master--> me.

MoS - bc i have not another secret alt with at least level 2 for join torurney, and i don't want let see him relite chat.

hedja - ah ok

MoS - don't write here, i am elaving this account,

hedja - kk, you going back to gnuff account and retired guy leaving?

MoS - he already leave, when he lost he message me on skype saying he was leaving.


To be honest at the time I thought it was strange, but didn't think much of it, but I've now realised from that position he could influence clan competitions with that account.

Also, sorry if this post is a bit long, just didn't want Wid to have anything to complain about ;)

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