Ian7 has a very good point. Especially on the part of America. The reason that doesn't affect us to this day as much is because we almost succeeded completely. There isnt enough to be any bit outspoken or make a large impact like the jews. Nor was there any chance of saving them during their era. Who would step in? Our French allies? The busy British? Why not the Mexicans, oh wait, because they might be next...


G. Arun...

You should have the courtesy to think of people's feelings here - not doing so marks you as a selfish dick.

Oh my, you know... I really do apologize, on behalf of all us "Nazi lovers". We.. We're so sorry we didn't think about your feelings. That... That right there... That broke my heart. Arun I PERSONALLY am SO SORRY for not considering your feelings when I had previously joined T4R. I must also apologize to the entire Jewish community. How dare I associate myself with people I was previously friends with so that we could have a merry time swapping youtube videos and playing diplos. Shame on me.

Hey keep going on about the 'millions' of Jews killed by the Nazi's.


It makes it that much easier to forget the 26 million Russian that died because of Britian and the US failing to enter the war until it was too late.

Slight of hand my friends, slight of hand


look at what one hand is doing, while the other performs the trick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rurBHWxYaR0

Isn't that spamming the forum?

#Hypocrite

#Lawlz alt

Fun fact: Joseph Stalin killed more people than Adolf Hitler.

I'm certain there's clans and people on this site who glorify the Soviets. Why are there no threads talking about how evil they are?

"Its sick people praze the nazi's on this way."

No one is praising Nazis.

They're defending freedom of speech.

You don't have to condone a message or agree with it to agree someone should be able to send the message if they wish.

"Fun fact: Joseph Stalin killed more people than Adolf Hitler."

Miss-use of the word 'fun'.

The Nazi party was one of the most evil organizations the Earth has ever seen, there is no debate about that, I think the debate here is if the swastika is racist. Also, please don't use the free speech argument, where people have the right to do/say all sorts of things that you may find offensive, you also have the right to throw offense back at them.

Nobody has yet to respond to my argument about the Wehmacht clan.

And hey look, I feel that most people that are opposing me are saying basically "The Soviets were bad, but the Nazis were worse, therefore, the Soviets are allowed, and the Nazis aren't".

That's basically the logic you have.

What is "Worse" to you?

People helding the Swastika in western world are mostly people who support the Aryan race. Do you support it ? no , then why you use it as profile picture?

Lol, as the owner of the original Nazi clan here, I'm gonna say that despite T4R's origins as being also surrounded in an interest for German (mainly 3rd Reich) history (I am currently studying history at A Level and it is my favourite subject), if you make a clan which symbolises Nazism in anyway, you will receive hate from the general forum. Even if you stress endlessly about how your clan isn't actually Nazi worshipping it doesn't make it go away. Do what T4R have done, after trying to argue it, we ended up ignoring it (side for Lawlz who kindly went out his way to defend us day in day out). I will say this though - your clan is associated with Nazism just like mine, don't deny that. But most of all, don't try and make yours look okay by dragging mine down.

"http://warlight.net/Clans/?ID=54 is also a nazi clan. Look at their picture? It's the eagle but they replaced the swastika with a IV. Why are they OK? but my clan isn't? Why discriminate?

@[REGL] Pooh: Ya might as well blacklist everyone in T4R and Wehrmacht, but they aren't as bad as me, apparently." (don't know how to do italics -cry-)

We have kept away from the General Forums to avoid this kind of spite. Just deal with the fact that your clan is a Nazi clan.

However, I agree that this is a war game and people like to role play, there have been many wars but none really as concreted in our minds as the second world war, and perhaps people just see this as a potential means to understand the atrocious Nazis.

Soviets and Nazis are not the same IMO. The Nazi party was in power for like 12 years, and committed genocide. USSR was in power (in Russia) for like 70 years. They did some shady things, but nothing on the level of the Nazi party.

And Ian, I don't think America (with Native Americans) is the same thing. Yes, I think it was bad what they did to Natives, but they essentially just kept booting them from their lands that the Government wanted. It's not the same as rounding them all up and gassing them in mass. Another stain on US history is slavery of course. Every nation probably has black eyes (some more than other). I think genocide is another level though

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The bloodiest events in the USSR took place during Stalin's reign. The 2 standout genocides were committed within the first decade of Stalin's rise to absolute power. These 2 genocides could be argued were on par with the actions of the Nazi's.

The following are articles on regarding the 'Holodomor', the first genocide.

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

This is the second one. Its about 'Yezhovshchina' or the Great Purge. Something I consider on par with the activities of Gestapo, or any other secret police agency that repressed the populace.

http://www.memorial.krsk.ru/eng/Dokument/Public/200711074.htm

Do you know how bad the Soviets were? They starved the entire Ukrainian population and forced them to go east into Siberia. The Soviets founded many corrupt "Communist" Regimes in Eastern Europe, North Korea, and many others. If you studied these regimes, they are AWFUL, and most of them COLLAPSED because of it, except for North Korea. Do you know, how corrupt North Korea is? Thank the USSR for that.

Who are you to tell me that a man killing 20 Million People just so he can maintain power is not as bad as a man that killed 10 Million Jews to maintain power?

Hitler and Stalin killed people to maintain power. Hitler rounded the Jews up, and gassed them. Stalin froze them to death. Have you learned your history about the Soviet Union before you made these posts?

If you are a German living in Nazi Germany, the life was good. If you are a Russian living in the Soviet Union, you would see how corrupt and bad the system is. If you are a Jew living in Nazi Germany, life was bad because your people were being gassed.

As for the Native Americans, the Americans pretty much massacred them and killed everyone. You know in Florida, they tried getting rid of tribes there and failed? Have you learned your history? You have been brainwashed by American Propaganda and you don't even know it. You raise the American flag, you know what that represents to the Native Americans that remember the horror?

People helding the Swastika in western world are mostly people who support the Aryan race. Do you support it ? no , then why you use it as profile picture?

By your logic, just because most people do it, means all people do it. MOST IS NOT A SYNONYM FOR ALL.

If you are going to respond to my argument, please use a logical and valid counter claim.

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I like the new guys.

Lawlz, we were Nazis before it was cool l0l

A Nazi-based clan using the Nazi symbol as their logo (this is obviously pertaining to before we changed it), what is the problem here?

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In response to: "Soviets and Nazis are not the same IMO. The Nazi party was in power for like 12 years, and committed genocide. USSR was in power (in Russia) for like 70 years. They did some shady things, but nothing on the level of the Nazi party. And Ian, I don't think America (with Native Americans) is the same thing. Yes, I think it was bad what they did to Natives, but they essentially just kept booting them from their lands that the Government wanted. It's not the same as rounding them all up and gassing them in mass. Another stain on US history is slavery of course. Every nation probably has black eyes (some more than other). I think genocide is another level though"

How stupid are you, really? Don't mean to offend you (Actually, I do), because I will go ahead and point out EVERYTHING wrong. For one, no shit they're not the same. Two different ideals going on right there. Second, just because they weren't in power for the same time, doesn't mean they're not the same, I don't know HOW you just inferred that. Third, the Soviet purges were much worse than the Nazi's roundups and gassing. "Oh no but the Jews died!" That's nice, but at least their OWN people weren't murdered left and right or starved. In the Soviet Union, people starved and froze and were left in exile in Siberia, or in jail, or just straight up executed, just so Stalin didn't have to worry about power threats. Hitler did this too but he left his own people alone. Americans did this, too. "Oh but it's just Native Americans!" It's the same scale of a genocide. The end.

Also in response to: "People helding the Swastika in western world are mostly people who support the Aryan race. Do you support it ? no , then why you use it as profile picture?"

'The word Aryan was therefore adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian peoples, but also to native Indo-European speakers as a whole, including the Romans, Greeks, and the Germans. It was soon recognised that Balts, Celts, and Slavs also belonged to the same group.' - Wikipedia

Hitler was simply "pro-white", as someone would put it. So are you saying every white person who's proud of being white and neglects other races is a Nazi?

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Ku Klux is moving in the same direction. Though they may say " White power ! ", more and more of 'em are like ' Black people are equivalent to white people, but let's celebrate diversity! '

Hitler didn't invent the Swastika instead he copied it and made it evil - I think it originally ment something good. ALSO: This is history and we must learn from our mistakes therefor we shall keep it.

We can compare evil regimes, organizations and dictators all day, but in the end does the fact that one has 'more kills' justify or lessen the other's actions? Not to me

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