I don't think all the clans were in it.

Chris' option seems perfect to me; I don't see any problems with it at all apart from perhaps the leader making their clan look better. But if they do do that, then it will look bad on them and it will only be the one vote. It is still a good enough starting point.

Thanks.

Maybe we should just not rank your own clan then? Then there is no bias bump. So if we have 20 clans, each would have 19 numbers going into their total.

In my opinion this idea is nonsense...
Do you really know all the people in every clan?
Looking the clan list i can say that i don't know the majority of them, and so I wouldnt be able to judge them.
Plus why noob clans should have right of judging others? A couple of weeks ago a lot of noobs give their opinion upon wich is the best clan, and everybody told Elite clan was the best (it is not a bad clan but it cannot be compared to WM or apex imo) since their members have higher stats.
So if we really wanna rank clans only solution in my opinion is to choose 5 equal people and make them rank the clans.
Then the list can be presented to all clan leaders and if the 50%+1 of them will agree, it will be used to make the groups.

Maybe I shouldn't take part in this discussion, cause i haven't participated in the first league, probably will not compete in the second either, I am not a leader of any clan, and back when season #1 started, I haven't even been a member of any clan, but in my humble opinion... voting would take too much time, and even if you succeed this time, then what if new clans arrive for the next seasons? will you re-vote every season just to classify them all out of blue? Why wasting so much time and effort into sorting them all based mostly on whims, emotions and (hopefully) vestigial experience of some players who probably never even played with members of some of the clans they are going to judge - not even mentioning, playing one, two, or (...) members should not be considereda reliable way of estimating clan's level of proficiency.. even provided the whimsy voting would be analized and averaged (again - waste of time). Beauty lays in simplicity, or shall i say "less is more" - in this case less unnecessary efort, which obviously doesn't lead to anything useful.

As it is already the second season of the clan league - if any division is to be introduced, then taking results from the first season is the only proper way to go - and like in any other league, newcomers should start from the bottom of the "ladder".

(What happened with Elite clan was just an example)
I won't make clan names but some of them think their players strong and they are total noobs. And a lot of examples like those can be made. So once again democracy must prevail but only in the final votation, not in the creative part.

Well, as I said my personal opinion was to not vote at all. Just do the clan league and let that decide the rankings. Then you can split into divisions the next time around.

But people kept suggesting divisions and ranking first, so I provided a better way to rank them than a few people in here debating it.

I agree a lot of clans haven't played against each other, which creates a lot of room for error in votes.

I have not actually played with a WM player or elite player I don't think. Not sure I've played with any from apex outside JSA either. Most of my games are with REGL, Warlighters, rp, CPU, RSP and x people. Outside of that I wouldn't have anything to base my opinion on (I would turn to the rest of my clan for help)

yes I agree in just doing the clan league without divisions, as long as jsa will write entering rules for new clans that will want to join next clan league.
So that it will be posssible make divisions based from this league.

Chris, that would be a good idea if we had to rank the clans although as Trilussa said, many of the small clans have never played against a member of one of the best clans. If we were to rank them, I would pick 4 guys to help me...dunga (an apex member), Trilussa or Sze (a [WM] member), NoobSchool or Boston (an AHoL), and one other person, maybe HHH or Gui or somebody else not associated with clans. But I don't think the clans should be ranked for this clan league. Every clan should be given a fair chance.

I have not written out rules for new entries in the future yet, but I will have them written out before this clan league starts.

i think someone should but all the clans participating in a hat and draw out random divisions to start, then the top 2 or 3 from each can be promoted to A and the others are in B and C(for season 3). this was sorta already mentioned but this is really random, of course the person would have to post a video so that we know they didnt just make the divisions themselves.

That won't work Dragon. You could end up with the 4 best in the bottom division. Then only 2 could be promoted and it would take forever for all the good teams to filter back up.

Just do it without divisions this time.

Yes I totally agree with JSA

ok chris, i was just giving the idea i hadn't worked out all the details, but that is what you and JSA would do.

Ify dragon's idea sounds good. We could draw slots and allocate the clans to every group. It's like the sport competitions. If 4 good clans get drawn together, that's tough luck. (which happens all the time in football)
I think dragon's idea is the most fair. :)

ty. but again the person who does the "Drawing" should post a video so we know it was a fair drawing and not rigged.

Sorry iyf...but we aren't doing divisions this clan league. The next one we will. That has already been decided. If you have any suggestions on how to divide them up for the next clan league, that would be helpful to me.

ok, thanks for keeping us informed.

A qualifying round should be done for new clans joining the league,there points should be ranked up with points from the last league clans and then you can seperate by the points.

I currently have lineups from the following 15 clans:

Elite
[WM]
[WG]
(AHoL)
apex
[MC]
[KK]
[TUC]
[WL]
CPU
Warlighters
{101st}
Dragon
{RSP}
{RING}

The following 6 clans will probably get a team together but I do not yet have the full lineups for them:

[Zen-D]
FBG
[P]
[REGL]
[VIW]
Juggernauts

If all of these 6 clans join as well, it will give us 21 clans. So we would have a small qualifying round between 3-4 clans.

I plan to start this in exactly two weeks if possible meaning Sunday, November 3. I would like to have all lineups in by October 27, one week from today so we have a week for qualifying. So leaders, please submit your lineups if you have not already. Just invite me to a game and tell me them.

JSA, there may be changes is our lineup. I'll invite you to a game when I'm on my computer.

JSA, would you mind setting up a chat game with FBG-Dragons to make him pick a FBG lineup? We lack leadership, and it's funny if Dragons has to do it.