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2v2 Ladder History: 9/30/2012 16:00:39


Guiguzi 
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regarding sze: someone needs to buy sze a membership for him to prove himself on the 1v1 ladder. he is not able to buy one (his extra money is for booze and cigars) and cant win one (he's always a bridesmaid and never the bride). my record against him is very much in my favor. sze likes challenges: i'd have to lose a bunch to him, see him outdo me on the ladder and see him train someone who can outdo niko. then i'd change my name to sze's slave and retire my main account.
2v2 Ladder History: 9/30/2012 16:25:55


Guiguzi 
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fizzer doesn't like competition. he took my team off the ladder. too much talk about competing makes him nervous.
2v2 Ladder History: 9/30/2012 16:51:22


dunga • apex 
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Of course i have my fiery side, ask my ex-wife.
But still, all with respect, i still like the people I can speak my mind as you say and the way you put yourself out there is because you clearly dont mind having this kind of feedback once and while.
No harm done right?

I think I need to play lots more games with top players to have a bigger sample as you say. Because, the two big loosing records I had I have been setting straight in the last games (heyheuhei and lollipop). And in the 2v2 I know you realize the level of this game is rising, and you need to keep understand of how people are playing (SPECIALLY all the players you teached very well, congratulations man, really wonderfull job with that, honestly) to keep having good results, and at this point we can say we are in fact solid and should be consider, result-wise and gameplay-wise. Of course we have flaws, I see in him and myself, he sees in me and himself, if we talked more we would be even better, but when the important turns we keep doing the right moves that puts us with solid records so far. Its up to the players starting taking advantages of our flaws and build up a gameplay the players will look up too.

I said yesterday while commentating on the game szeweningen vs fizzer that to me you (empyrean) and szeweningen are the best players in my point of view. I dont saw enough of Salah and myhand in 1v1 and 2v2 (which are the games i play more) but i know they are in the list. Heyheuhei in the end has absolutely fantastic records and results everywhere, but there is that fact we see him too little express himself, and there is the fact of sometimes loosing games he shoudnt (we need to account the fact he plays WAAAY too many games, and all the players he plays make a huge deal about it and put much more effort in the game than him).


BTW, i like the fact of having a bad record against neither, as well as to any top player. I liked when you said I was too good to being teached, I also liked when szeweningens said a turn of mine was the best (or one of the best) he remembered seeing in the game. In the last LIVE tournaments i created, we had a set of several games (i think 2 tournaments we played 3 games), at least 3 of them were epic, probably among the top 20 games this game ever read, a study case for sure.

Anyway, I also sometimes put myself outthere and I think i should be consider. I have against me the fact i didnt menage to get a good enough run to ensure at the 1st place in the ladder for a brief moment. It feels like i am out of the selective players club.
You put yourself in the 1st spot and at least 2 more players.
you bragged about your students beating or almost beating me. Was only a small run for them, your system really is finding difficult beating my style regularly (still need to play Niko in his new phase).

Anyway, thanks for what you doing (not this part about teasing fizzer), even the way you tease people can make they be better players.
You making me speak my mind is something i am likeing to do
2v2 Ladder History: 9/30/2012 17:24:18


Guiguzi 
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i found it funny when i noticed guys i was helping were the only ones you had lost to in a certain period. so i jokingly apologized to you for having helped them a little. i wouldn't consider any player i helped as having my style. i just give them ideas to help them make their own style more effective/smooth. they tend to remain efficient for a good period of time and then try to experiment with slightly less efficient approaches, which has led to a minor but significant decrease in the smoothness of their play.

i'm glad you think i'm better than hhh. fizzer won't let me use denzys account to beat you and hhh. but maybe hhh will read this and have lower morale or trust you less in your games. more losses for you could be a win for the inactive me. :(

seriously though, i'd like to see both ladders become clusterfucks in which all games feel like playing paper, scissor, rock. then maybe better maps and settings would be used.

negative feedback on an anonymous site with people i'll never meet: it's ok.
2v2 Ladder History: 9/30/2012 18:25:02


dunga • apex 
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i dont think heyheuhei will have problems with what i wrote, he still is one of the best in my opinion, and in overall results. I am very happy to be his teammate, not everything is about pride.

and you have a dark side that loves chaos, always pushing towards it.


and btw, i dont think we are close to mastering in the full extent both templates, they offer some kind of challenge, and luck plays some part in every sport, warlight has its share, no reason we should disconsider results, specially when we already have hundreds of most players, is a fair sample.

Nadal, Federer and Djokovic they win against all players, but loose to each other, that is very common when the level is very high, and are multiple players in that level.

I have no problems in loosing games I did my best and played well, you find analizing/blaming luck very important. Is more a question of philosophical approach. Maybe if you are loosing to LUCK ONLY in 100% of your games your actual results should be consider the best possible achievement skillwise.

anyway man, i said i respected you and admired your game and you used it against me, take a step back.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 02:26:41


Guiguzi 
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chinese has a saying: 笑里藏刀 (behind the smile hides a knife). most people on this site are this way -- smiling publicly while hiding evil thoughts, jeolousy, rage, pride or negativity while always expecting the worst of others or misreading intent. so i do the opposite: 刀里藏笑. i am not disillusioned as to the importance of wl. it serves to alleviate boredom and negativity while i'm exiled in asia. i think those who harbor negativity while appearing otherwise are interesting.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 05:21:31


professor dead piggy 
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Dunga would you mind posting links for the games you're referring to please?

"In the last LIVE tournaments i created, we had a set of several games (i think 2 tournaments we played 3 games), at least 3 of them were epic, probably among the top 20 games this game ever read, a study case for sure."
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 05:40:42


Kenny • apex 
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That was a very disrespectful thing to say, and I'm sorry that you feel that way Gui.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 13:22:51


Guiguzi 
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Now I see how you got your name lolowut. People must respond to you a lot with "lol. what?"
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 14:05:24


dunga • apex 
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was your last comment to me Gui?

Because i dont have no hiding knife, because i dont have no Jeolousy, Rage or Pride (here in warlight at least) and of course sometimes I have my negativity.
I may have misread your intentions yes, sorry about that, but you seem to poke a lot, was unnecessary your lines about Heyheuhei.
I dont have no problem with you neither have no bad intentions towards you, I have just small opositions of what sometimes you say, and I come here and spoke to you to your front, and you even said this what you prefer, rather than hiding.

anyway
you maybe misread me too, because i have no bad intentions towards you. I dont have it now and never had it before, just gave my opinions while trying to not be disrepectfull.

Or I can congratulate you one more time for being an awesome player and a superb teacher, and is not flattery, just sincerity.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 14:24:52


Guiguzi 
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no, i wasn't talking about you, just in general. we've always got along. you're one of my favorite players.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 15:03:19


Kenny • apex 
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>.> You know my secrets too well Gui.

But seriously, I found the comment distasteful because I remain positivity about people instead of assuming they're hiding a knife behind their smile. Perhaps my thinking is illogical, and I acknowledge that you may see that, considering 90% of Chinese history deals with backstabbing. (If you ever want a good read, read Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Much betrayal ensues, as well as Zhuge Liang shenanigans. This part is not meant for Gui, who probably has it all memorized)
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 15:20:13


szeweningen 
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"most people on this site are (...) always expecting the worst of others or misreading intent. so i do the opposite"

A good oxymoron can always get a laugh out of me :)
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 15:23:11


Byronic Hero
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I am glad Gui returned to the forum, makes it intresting to read again.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 16:15:11


Guiguzi 
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sze: in polish do colons end sentences? people who use the words of logicians in everyday speech for the sake of appearances make me laugh. it reminds me of a roommate i once had in france: he'd smother his body with cologne in the morning and smell like an outhouse in the evening for not having applied deodorant.

sze, you came back to wl partly as a way to practice english, right?
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 16:48:04


Rorschach 
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^ Ouch.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 16:48:41


szeweningen 
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We might have more in common than I thought, in real life I've been accused many times of deflecting the question or issue with another question and some smite comments :) The fact that you claim oxymoron is a word of logician used for appearance is pretty funny, I don't know about english, but in polish it's just common language. Though the analogy you used is quite disgusting... I just pointed out how hypocritical was that specific post, but don't feel bad, reading through such emotionally filled posts is, as Byronic Hero said, very entartaining.

I did not come here to practice english, in fact I am fluent in it, though if native speaker says I have problems with written word maybe I should remind myself a few things... Anyway I really regret you are not easier to approach, the fact that you play warlight that well must mean you are an intelligent guy, but most of what you write on the forum is an insult to your intellect, even if it's meant in a taunting or sarcastic way. Who knows, maybe someday when you can unmask everyone else, especially me, as the backstabbing, non-talented inferior lowlifes, we could actually have a conversation, untill then I'll enjoy what we're doing now, whatever this is :)
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 17:01:14


Kenny • apex 
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^-- It's love making Szew. A little less raunchy and it's hard to determine who's on top or bottom though.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 17:20:26


Guiguzi 
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oh, nevermind. i see how your polinglish mind is working. you chopped my sentence in such a way as to create a new meaning. clever. misread somethong because your fluency is limited and then use your own inability as a means to attack someone.

your blind certainty (this is at least the fifth time you've done this that i can recall) each time you discuss things you don't fully understand is amusing. i wish you'd start your own thread and call it "the world according to sze." i'd enjoy reading your pseudo-specialist insights very much. and if you could do it in such a way to irk rich sharpe the friendly it would be an instant classic.

i recently told myhand why you bother me. remember [8]? some in [8] didn't think you were good enough. i liked your activeness and thought you could improve (and you have). but i also knew you made strange moves in 3v3 europe that put too much stress on teammates and made games harder than they had to be. so i invited you to a game and explained the theory of 3v3 europe to you. i have never explained the theory more than i did then. your response? essentially you said "yes. i know that." and then you talked about intermediate strategy totally unrelated to what i said as if it were on topic. i knew then that you are too proud to learn from others and can only learn on your own. i was angry at myself for wasting my time. when i taught saladin, i said half sentences and knew he'd get the other halr. with you i spoon fed you everything and you understood nothing. since then you have learned most of what i said onyour own. but it took you 500+ games. and still there are minor things you overlook. the problem: your confidence in your english fooled me into thinking you actually could understand a philosophical explanation of strategy. maybe your pride wouldn't let you ask me to use simpler language at that time. or maybe you just didn't want to learn from someone else or thought your level was already equal to mine.

that is where all the tension began. i dislike prideful people who think they know things they dont understand. if you were less prideful, we'd be friends i bet. the intensity of your mind lacks flexibility. sze in small doses is all i can handle. your tunnel vision disturbs me.
2v2 Ladder History: 10/1/2012 17:59:33


NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex 
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^^This is why I play as I do. Knowing I'm bad, and always working to get a little better. I don't act like I'm good though :P
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