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Bleh, Pulsey, I think you have as many errors as JSA! :P Warning, harsh and probably incorrect opinions follow...

GG has very good players but is overrated and declining IMO. JV in particular though has gotten way better! I would put them into tier 2, not tier 1.

Apex and WG (counting only their top players) are better than you give them credit. Tier 1 instead of tier 2. I would argue that Apex might be the best clan in warlight. But clan league will decide that :) As for WG, they probably have the largest difference in skill from top to bottom of the top clans.

In your strong clans category, one clan (Master) is not like the others (AHoL/XS) and should be rated higher. Blitz should be in this group I think.

XCD and 101st should not be in skilled clans category. Definitely overrated. Clan league will show this.

French Community should be in the "large clan" category, in that they have awesome players as well as pretty terrible players. Which is cool cause that's how VIW is, not all of us need to be competetive :P I think you may be underrating VIW but we will see how clan league turns out. Group B is tough tho.

Warlighters are definitely underrated, and you haven't been paying attention to their changing membership. They've trimmed the fat and acquired some good players. Again, clan league will show this.

I think you should group BR with the large clan category. Giovanni and Furacao in particular are quite good. They just don't care about being competetive in clan league i think :P

This is just what quickly comes to mind.

Since when was Pulsey expected to come up with an unbiased, realistic ranking? He just underrated clans with people he dislikes in them.

I think you are off base on WG. We are not down on ladders, just not participating much. Tenshi placed 3rd in last season with two suspected or known cheaters ahead of him. Summer is always near top of strat ladder. Some are playing alts instead on ladder, some not at all. We are busy running most leagues on here, nobody has gotten worse (well i am probably worse at strat right now).

He just underrated clans with people he dislikes in them.

this is not totally true, he places Lynx in semi-elite clans

Kudos to Pulsey this guide is not the best but it is better than anyone else's, mostly because no one else has tried but still

I concur Myagi probably not the best guide and we all have our biases but Pulsey does know the community to a certain extent perhaps someone else should give it a shot and we can compare the two just to have a different perspective.

Where is YMCM? Ill tell you fucking where:

IN ORDER OF SKILL

Super Elite clans- Rekking shit since day 1, transcended ladder competition, the forum is our fan club.

YMCM

Elite clans- Top famous players, top in ladders etc, have their own fan club.

20
GG
WM

Semi Elite clans- Good players, good success. One or two top players

Apex
WG
Lynx

Strong clans- Starting to join the big boys. ;)

Master
Xs
Ahol

Skilled clans- Mostly good players, not much ladder success

Xcd
French
101st
Blitz

Large and competitive clans - Big clans, though with some skill.

VIW
REGL
Warlighters
BIA
Turtle
Gladiators

Fun Clans- Relatively peaceful clans.

S Ninja
Br

Not sure if you guys realized, but I have no affliation with most of the top clans. I have brushes in the past with Blitz, Warlighters, Lynx and Apex. Apart from that, GG doesn’t pay me to put them above WM. Nor do I have any personal reason to underrate WG.

GG has had 3 players take #1 in the last month. No clan has such success recently.

WG has only one player coming in and out of top 10 these few months, the only thing that made me consider them as a top clan last time was them winning the clan league, which they arent doing so far.

WM doesn’t have much success either. But Gnuffone winning Seasonal and #1 on RT keeps them an elite clan. At least WM has some ladder success recently, compared to the no ladder success of WG. Swimming POtato is also doing well in RT and 1v1.

The best of Apex players are semi-retired. The most active members these days are Dead Piggy, Frank, Wid, Miyagi, Lolowut, Noob, with only 1 who has ever taken #1 on the 1v1 ladder. No offense but this team definitely don’t qualify as best on WL.

Ladder wise, GG triumphs over Apex, WG and WM. GG didn’t pay me to say that.

Since most good players these days are in the ‘top’ clans, I thought it would be more appropriate that a relatively good player from none of these best clans make a list. Of course everyone wants to be top. I am possibly biased in a few areas but I think the top part of the list is a pretty fair and accurate represntation of these last few months.

Warlighters probably deserve a bit higher but most of the ‘Prolighters’ are alts, so doesn’t really count.

Lawlz you drop negative reputation bombs on LEA. No debate about that.

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Name one time since my ban and I will let it go.

GG's recent ladder success as you put it is underwhelming to say the least.

Angry Beavers hit rank 1 by stalling, Michael and BraaK hit rank 1 with incredibly low ratings because everyone good left the ladder.

GG is in no way, shape, or form better than Apex or WG. They might be better than WM, but WM is also worse than WG and Apex.

You claim WM gets a nod for Gnuffone winning a season and being rank 1 on the RT ladder. Surely WG gets just as much as one for Summer bouncing around in the top 5-10 on the 1v1 ladder, being top 3 on the RT ladder, and being poised to break the all-time record for highest rating ever on the 2v2 ladder, without resorting to stalling or cheating like the previous record holder.

As for:

"The best of Apex players are semi-retired. The most active members these days are Dead Piggy, Frank, Wid, Miyagi, Lolowut, Noob, with only 1 who has ever taken #1 on the 1v1 ladder. No offense but this team definitely don’t qualify as best on WL. "

Quit looking at ranks you incompetent sheep. It's obvious to anyone that watches and analyzes the games that Widz and Frank despite never hitting rank 1 are far better at strat 1v1 than all three of the GG members that recently hit rank 1.

Edited 7/13/2014 05:55:22

Widz and Frank despite never hitting rank 1 are far better at strat 1v1 than all three of the GG members that recently hit rank 1.

I disagree. With the exception of Braak whom I"ve never played, I believe Jupe and Beavers are better than Widsasz and Frank.

Gnuff taking #1 on Seasonal and RT ladder is more impressive than Summer being ranked around top 10 in 1v1 and RT ladder. If you disagree then you live up to your name.

You tell me to stop looking at stats and ranks? How else am I supposed to accurately rank clans? By people's perceptions about them?

GG don't pay me to sell them. I'm just saying what I think. Sounds like you're Nauz/ Silver to me.

Edited 7/13/2014 06:02:27

Silver isn't Nauz

" Summer Not Ranked with a rating of 2189. Summer's profile
Best rating ever achieved: 2216. Best rank ever achieved: 2nd
"

Is not "around" the top 10. It's rank 2.

Gnuffone wouldn't be rank 1 if he wasn't afraid to play anyone good.

Example: Records vs. top clans:

Lynx:
Gnuffone: 5-6
Summer: 6-1

WM:
Gnuffone: 4-1
Summer: 3-2 (includes 1-1 vs Gnuff)

Apex:
Gnuffone: 0-2
Summer: 2-0

WG:
Gnuffone: 1-1 (both vs. Summer)
Summer: 2-1

GG:
Gnuffone: 1-0
Summer: 0-0

20:
Gnuffone: 2-5
Summer: 2-1

So, combined vs. the top 6 clans Gnuff is 13-15, Summer is 17-5. Yeah, his RT ladder run is clearly way more impressive. Not.

New Phony
加油!

Which games are informing your opinion Pulsey? Widz especially has some great games on the ladder. To say that ctrl alt del is better detracts massively from the credibility of your list. Judging a player by their rank is a lazy substitute for looking at their games and playing with them.

From Pulsey's list. But better.

Elite clans- Top famous players, top in ladders etc, have their own fan club.

20
GG
WM
WG
Apex

Semi Elite clans- Good players, good success. One or two top players

Lynx
Masters

Strong clans
Xs
Ahol

Skilled clans- Mostly good players, not much ladder success

Xcd
French
Warlighters
Blitz

Large and competitive clans - Big clans, though with some skill.

VIW
REGL
BIA
Turtle
Gladiators
101st - Mostly good is a bit exaggerated. But we are trying. I still do recruitment. There are a few good-great players.

I believe Jupe and Beavers are better than Widsasz and Frank.


Is this a joke?

No. I've played all 4, on 1v1s and team games, though not admittedly not many with Wid, Jupe and Frank. Never played with Wid on team games.

Personal experience tells me Ctrl is better than Wid on 1v1s, Jupe better than Frank on team games. Or so I feel.

1v1s

Ctrl > Wid > Jupiter > Frank

Team Games

Jupiter > Frank > Ctrl

Anyway I'm not going to bother promoting players or a clan i'm not even part of. You can bicker among yourself. I'l publish a new guide in a few months :)