What is so complex about it?

Israel is a lunatic state, with a fascist government and a fascist domestic policy, that commited and commits countless violations of international law on a daily basis. It`s only for the powerful AIPACs onmipresent hand over the US-Media thereby controling the public opinion the USA and AIPACs massive influence on US foreign and domestic politics that prevent Israel from being sanctioned in any way for their past and present crimes against humantiy and their warcrimes.


How can one not take sides in a conflict in which one side factually imprisons millions of people, disenfranchising and dehumanizing them in their daily lives, unlawfully steals their land, destroys their property, strangles their economy and periodically murders thousands of innocents.

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Do they have oil? They don't have oil? They are allies to get oil. OIL OIL- I mean, USA USA USA!

Namib: Because saying what you just said would make you 'antisemitic' according to some people/media.
You got the crux of the problem though. It is sad to see double standards in play during this day and age.

That is the irrationality of the propaganda machine fueled by the zionist lobby.
If you have vialable criticism on Israels policies, you are accused of being antisemtic. If you are a jew with the same criticism you are a self hating jew.
There is no argument in it, just the holocaust industry at work.

...and here goes the flame war.

I cant expect you do understand it ARC.

Where are the flames ARC? Sit back if you don't want to get involved.

Is Palestine a country? Maybe
Is Gaza in Israel or Palestine? could be either
Is the West Bank in Israel or Palestine? could be either
Who's right? possibly both of them to some extent
Who's wrong? possibly both of them to some extent

Either way, neither side is happy and the violence will continue.

What is most funny how Hamas justified .... I ask seriously what Antares has Israel to hold Gaza? All checks what country was going through an enemy country ... Israel announces next advance to where she is bombing civilians not because Hamas bevel building under houses. What is a normal country should do?

The Vid was merely an artistic expression of my understanding of the conflict Nothing more.. i did not bring arugments nor did i bring up justification for neither side. i merely stated the World is watching, and we will be there(In spirit of course) please before trying to flame on here against the Vid make sure to have an understanding of the thoughts behind the Video.. i could of made the vid an hour long with millions of facts and pictures ect... but i choose to condense to a few pictures and throw in my opinion on the matters, dont like it dont watch it, simple..

Dom, do you know the difference between your and you're? From the video, I'm guessing not.

i do know the difference. lol Your describing your properity, You're conjunction of You are..

What is so complex about it?

Yeah, you obviously figured it all out long ago.

That is the irrationality of the propaganda machine fueled by the zionist lobby.
If you have vialable criticism on Israels policies, you are accused of being antisemtic. If you are a jew with the same criticism you are a self hating jew.
There is no argument in it, just the holocaust industry at work.

Newsflash: the Seventies are over.

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Gnull, just wake up.
Yeah i figured it out long ago, its not that hard as the media tries to make you believe.
Insinuating its a too complex conflict to have easy solutions is part of the propaganda lie.

And that has nothing to do with the seventies, AIPAC propaganda has not change at all.

If you want to argue with me, be my guest. I will adress all your arguments with arguments of my own, or with arguments of more esteemed people than me.

The conflict itself is not so complex if you study it IMO. But finding a solution is very complex. Israel won't give an inch, Hamas won't give and inch. No matter who is actually right, no compromise will be offered it seems.

Ok then, one attempt for a serious debate. How would it look like, your easy solution?

Arun, the conflict is complex in the sense that 60 years of Great-Power meddling have added ideological baggage unlike any other to the whole situation. Everyone and their mother feels like they have a stake in it; not just the people living in the state of Israel and the Palestinian mandates (plus of course the millions of Palestinians held hostage in utterly dismal refugee camps all around the Arab world).

EDIT: Of course the roots of this whole mess go back even farther - at least to the end of the Ottoman Empire - but the Cold War was/is what made/makes everyone go beserk.

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We also need to remember that Israel has nuclear weapons, which means they're more likely to be right when it comes to international politics.

Gaza Is all about this poor people, Hamas who control them ...
Hamas does not want to take responsibility for all the time so he attacks Israel to show poor, to receive money and aid into Gaza.
For example ceasefire he wants to be built port and airport.

@Loony Party - you mean 'right' i hope ;D
@elroi - Hamas may not be entirely right, but I don't see you reasoning. Hamas attack Israel to make themselves look weak? I don't think so. I think they attack Israel the combat the near total control Israel would otherwise have over them (like in the West Bank). They attack Israel to combat the alien invaders who have taken what they consider their land. I do agree that the most important factor are the regular people and the effect this is having on them.

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@Gnullbegg

added ideological baggage

Judaism/capitalism vs. Islam/communism (going with your historic reference here). There, done no?

Everyone and their mother feels like they have a stake in it; not just the people living in the state of Israel and the Palestinian mandates (plus of course the millions of Palestinians held hostage in utterly dismal refugee camps all around the Arab world).

That's a pretty good brief summary of the cause of this. How complicated was that? The situation is not as complicated as other situations, or at the very least, not more complicated. Often, you will consider a situation more complicated when it is portrayed in the media more. Because of this, you see much more about the scenario, obviously causing you to ponder it for longer. Also, when something is front page news it is discussed much more, with more support for both sides of a debate, making the issue seem less clear than it may be. When did people ever talk about the Sri Lankan civil war? As it came to it's bloody conclusion, one news channel in the UK featured it (kudos to Channel 4 in that respect), despite it being such an event.