i'm sorry for you, but WM are #1, not relite. After this bad joke, i agree with other ppl, that you are a troll, and you should stop to make provocation.
One only point: think about that in your of challenge 3v3, ciekiu almost puppet you ;)
you want say relite are better then WM? or you are very good? stop bragging about 14-3, invite me to a 3v3 and let's fight.

gnuffone...don't give her the time of day. What do we do with the garbage? We take it to the curb and leave it there so some smelly dude with his crack showing can take it away. Just let the garbage man take this trash away...

You sure you want to leave Aranka on the curb? The garbageman might react like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ei3H-ybfM

I think ReLite is very good, but not top 2 (with WM/Apex). I think they are in the same tier as WG and AHol right behind them.

Frank, i don't want to know HOW did you find that video

Trolling aside........

The bottom line of this statistical adjustment is just like what Qi said on this thread previously:

this clan league is rather stupid if you exclude one of the best clans (relite/gg).

WM and Apex might be better. But excluding us from this competition is if at all a joke.
Our 14-3 might not have been totally a good representation of the underlying strengths between each other according to you guys, but still that's the score as it was.
Furthermore back then WM used to be stronger then it is now.
Regardless of the fact if we would be able to repeat the same results again, one cannot deny that our presence here might swing certain decisions one way or another.

So for sake of comparison I have to agree with Qi.
You guys can stick together all you want in your derogative terms, but deep down you should known that what you're doing is just covering up a farce of a tourney.

I don't get you Aranka, did you even read the discussion on this from months ago? The choice was to seed all clans based on votes (and throw out the results of last season), or to have all NEW clans start at the bottom and work their way up.

The second method was chosen, and even your clan agreed it was more fair.

I don't know what you are worried about. You will dominate C group and get super-promoted to A next season anyway.

The point is that all these calculations done by some members here in order to try to prove they're the best clan is just laughable under the current circumstances

So far all I've gotten for pointing this simple fact out is negative and derogative comments on my person.
While this might be true, nowhere will I claim I'm a good 1vs1 ME player this doesn't mean my whole clan is bad.
That would be the same as judging WM on just Malamute or judging Apex on X-apex

So for updates:

1v1:

AHOL: 10-6 Lobstrosity 3-1 Ace Windu     0-2 Conquistadors 2-2 Noobschool 5-1 
Apex: 12-7 Brisk       2-1 Dunga         4-2 Grona         3-2 Widzisz    3-2 
WG:   8-8  Gnullbegg   1-2 Summer        4-1 Robespierre   1-4 Marc       2-1 
WM:   8-11 Tigger      0-4 Featherbucket 1-4 Anonymous     4-1 Gnuffone   3-2 
WL:   4-14 Chiyahoho   1-2 Jun           2-2 Ronkins       1-5 Izuzu      0-5 
CPU:  10-7 Primary     3-0 Mirror        2-2 Clifford      2-2 Demolition 3-3 
REGL: 8-7  Mentysh     1-1 Hedja         3-3 Harrierhawk   3-0 Stam4o     1-3

2v2:

WM:   7-3 Anonymous/Old Surehand 1-3 Fridge/Falker             6-0 
WG:   5-5 Marc/Gnullbegg         4-0 Andersault/Dodo Commander 1-5
AHOL: 4-3 Lawm/Military          2-1 Lobstrosity/Noobschool    2-2 
Apex: 6-2 Frankdeslimiste/X      1-1 Dunga/Widzisz             5-1 
REGL: 3-7 Harrierhawk/Mentysh    1-4 Hedja/Gaja                2-3 
CPU:  4-4 Piper/Slammy           1-2 BigE/Tuning               3-2 
WL:   1-6 C.K./Ted               1-0 Jun/Seventh Knights       0-6 

1v1 + 2v2:

AHOL:  18-12  +6
Apex:  24-11  +13 
WG:    18-18  0 
WM:    22-17  +5   
REGL:  14-21  -7  
CPU:   18-15  +3
WL:    6-26   -20

3v3:

AHOL: 2-2 Ema20     Military Maniac  Noobschool 
WM:   4-0 Gnuffone  Fridge           Tigger 
WG:   2-0 Cris      Ineffable        Summer 
REGL: 2-1 Hedja     Stam4o           Dragorin 
WL:   1-4 Neptune   Chiyahoho        SIRIUS 
Apex: 1-2 Brisk     Grona            Frank 
CPU:  1-4 Bidgy     Primary          DrummingManiac1

Total:

1. WM:   38-17  +21
2. Apex: 28-19  +9
3. WG:   26-18  +8
4. AHOL: 26-20  +6
5. REGL: 22-25  -3
6. CPU:  21-31  -10
7. WL:   10-42  -32

Come on REGL, get into the positive numbers :D

Wrong thread I know as this is group A but I'll ask here anyway.

When will Group B tournaments start? We have been waiting for a long time now. We have confirmed our lineup (we did so weeks ago) and since then we have heard nothing at all. We want to play!

Now jsa is on Holiday, and for what i kno, Aranka is doing B/C Group.
Yes, REGL is close to get positive number :)
remember that last 2 clan go down on B Group.

Pushover would be handling discussions regarding group B

I'm in charge of group C but so far we've only got a line-up for like 2 clans max from there

JSA is back. I would expect an update sometime soon.

I am thinking we will combine B and C Leagues. Aranka has had little to no response with the C League teams, and there are 1-2 teams in B League that might not participate. The tournaments will be made today or tommorrow and I'll give the clans a week to join, we need to get this moving along.

arithmetic:

apex 19-11
ahol 16-11
wm 19-14
wg 15-13
cpu 15-15
regl 13-15

apex has won more games and has the best winning %. but third place is way ahead of first place?

did wm recruit another former #elite! player to teach them how to farm their stats? i am reporting wm for use of hgh and steroids. fizzer will take away your legos, i mean levels.

more arithmatic:

if a 3v3 win is worth 4 points (133% more than the number of players), next time there should be a 10v10 worth 13 points/win. then all the other games will be meaningless and whichever team wins the most 10vs10 has the best clan. sound good? great! that's what we will do next season!

nevermind, i just read through this thread. it all makes sense now. there was some sort of vote to not allow relite/gg to play in the group/league we all know they belong in. instead warlighters took their spot...(let's pause for a moment and reflect on this...ok.) then, midway through the tournament, wm was losing and gnuff asked jsa to change the points of the only games wm was doing well in so wm could have a chance to win. (recap: vote to exclude relite, no vote to change the points system after the tournament started and after everyone already had started to base their calculations on the points system in place. fair enough.) and relite is supposed to join group a shortly, yet their tournaments were deliberately postponed.

i never knew clans could be so interesting.

Qi, if you are gonna sum up a thread, you need to read through it much better than that. A few Relite players came in and said they were fine with being in C, I think that kinda settled it. They will now be in B anyways.

I went back to the previous points because that's what we had last season and I felt like I had made a mistake changing it in the beginning.

How was Relite's tournament deliberately postponed? You are saying Aranka deliberately postponed Relite's tournament?

Qi - I will speak from the perspective of my very self:

i voted for Relite being in A. I always felt they were (at first potentially, then practically) one of the very top clans skill-wise. I have expressed that opinion many times all over the forums. But there are many series like this and most of the people here said their ok for ReLite in A <but>...blablabla.. exception... blablabla...

I don't know for sure the reason why Gnu suggested the aforementioned score change, but I can agree with you on that this is the most likely scenario (most of the time he cannot stand being anywhere else than the top - which is not a con feature for one of the most competitive players this site has ever seen) and during that time we were doing badly in 1v1s, while we were just starting teamgames, so we had some time to work on those... I'm not sure though this would make much difference as this series from the very beginning was scored in a very similar way. 4pts for 3v3 vs 3 points for 3v3.. just take a look at the score difference between WM and the rest..

The idea behind the scores for this series from the very beginning was to balance chances between 1v1-oriented and teamplay-oriented and allround clans and not to favour any. I do however agree that every game should count as 1 point. BUT ONLY IF there was an equal number of 1v1, 2v2 and 3v3 games and rotating teams i guess.. which would in addition to what we have, give the better idea of an AVERAGE level of a clanmember. but this is not the case.. :/ I also don't understand why this even is counted points for wins minus points for losses system - but it's simply because i have not seen a similar system anywhere. For me it's obvious that NOT GETTING points for a win is enough handicap. So why making the handicap twice as big...

By the way - great provocation, Ghostie. ;)

Oh yes. and i forgot.. Nobody deliberately postponed anything. It's just that the potentially interested clans did not turn out to be interested at all. and those who were were not organized enough to combine B and C into one group which i feel is the only way to go.. Furthermore - since a few weeks, Aranka is in charge of organising their group so it's totally up to them wht will they do..