@myhand

What is your solution?

TTIP and TISA
are not of the table. The german government for instance has plans to massively promote it again in a campaign. And if they should eventually fail , which is something we all should hope for, it is due to the fact that the resistance against it in the old world was severely underestimated.
You effort in trying to marginalize it's importance and it's effect it would have on europe just shows how much you distanced yourself from reality.

Net neutrality
is the most important issue of them all. The internet shifted the power in the world dramatically. The world populations access to free information has changed the way governments, nations , cooporations or almost anything in the world are perceived. Elites-close think tanks in the USA are aware of how immensely more difficult the internet made their work of disinforming the general public with their propaganda. Everyone willing can now go online and have a different uncontrolled point of view (which usually is much closer to the truth). In short, they have identified the free internet as the greatest threat to their power ever. They will do anything to stop the access to independent information and they will mask their actions as usual as very beneficial for the general populace (see Snowden, Assange).
Btw, there is nothing that is done in the USA which has an effect on only the USA. If the USA would keep to themselves, we really wouldn't have any of these discussions.

The ICC
is an instituion that if accepted and ratified by a majority of countries could change the shape of the world drastically. It would end unjustified military engagements, stop war crimes (maybe war alltogether) and establish a new era of peace and prosperity for all of us, since every nation would be accountable for its actions before a criminal court. The reason the USA and China and Russia for that matter, yes, are that they don't want to be accountable for their actions. They are fully aware about the extend of unjustified military actions and war crimes they are commiting on a daily basis. Let me remind you that it was the USA, that gave the idea for the criminal court when they decided to establish the tribunal against milosevic after the war against Serbia 91-99. The Europeans liked the idea and made this tribunal a permanent court, but that was all but in the interest of the USA. They adviced all their instituions by threat of high treason charges to not coooperate with this beacon of justice.
Again you marginalize an important international instituion because it threatens US-hegemony.

Why you are so happy to marginalize these threats against humanity, I do not know. Maybe you just really have no idea of how important they are.

P.S.: Let me guess the greatest threats against humanity in your eyes: Russia, Comunism, China, North Korea, Iran, Islam, Anti-Americanism, Anti-Capitalism and Hispanics in the USA.

Edited 3/19/2015 02:21:46

@hinky pinky: solution to what?

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myhand, I'm not marginalizing, you're simply exaggerating. Is TISA and TTIP a problem? Yes. Will it cause global anarchy and lead to apocalypse? No. Is internet censorship a bad thing? Yes. Will it lead to the end of all mankind? No. Will civilization cease to be without the ICC? No.

Are you seeing the pattern here? You're building these issues up as if the fate of the world depends on them, trying to make the issue loaded with phrases like, "Threats to humanity". It's true these are important issues, but they aren't of the dire consequence you're trying to make them out to be.

I don't care about "U.S hegemony". We aren't the empire that you've deluded yourself into seeing.

P.S: Nice assumptions there. Don't you know what they say about assuming? But I'm going to humor you and address those topics briefly.
Russia: A threat to Europe maybe, but not a threat to the rest of humanity unless nukes get involved.
Communism: Pffft. Communism is almost dead.
China: Ehhh...not really.
North Korea: A highly-militarized dictatorship with nuclear capabilities that has often threatened to annihilate it's enemies? Only an idiot would say they aren't a threat.
Iran: Not a threat unless they get nuclear weapons.
Anti-Americanism: To be honest I don't feel threatened because some foreigners constantly spout propaganda against my country online.
Anti-Capitalism: Uhhh...Communism essentially?
Hispanics in the U.S.A: Legal immigration is fine by me. Even the illegal kind is more of a minor issue than a major one.

^They take jobs from Americans that woupdate take the jobs anyway.

Excuse me, but why is this a bad thing? Eventually, there will be social equilibrium where wealth distribution will be as good as it can be

you're simply exaggerating. Is TISA and TTIP a problem? Yes. Will it cause global anarchy and lead to apocalypse? No. Is internet censorship a bad thing? Yes. Will it lead to the end of all mankind? No. Will civilization cease to be without the ICC? No.

Typical Strawman Fallacy.
I never said that would be the case, nor is that reason why its so terrible. As of late i came to realize that arguing with you is futile. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
You are so naive that you even believe that North Korea is considered a threat. It's not a threat at all, it's hilarious. Your countrys elites dont consider it a threat, they consider it a gift of god. A nuisance to China and a justification for all the idiots behind the propaganda tv screens to have an anti-chinese military build up in the region.

That being said, I am tired of breastfeeding you every subtelty of international politics. You can continue to indulge in your absurd irrational world view and I will continue to drop one liners on you.
Then you can accuse me of blind anti americanism, since you dont have the intellectual capacity to understand any of my explanations.
You had a chance to actually learn something.

Edited 3/19/2015 03:09:33

Yea another country trying to war another country total isn't a threat.

Great Lucid Dreamer, so you agree that Israel is a threat? That was suprising.

Every nation is a threat to every nation, including itself. Except Switzerland. Those people will f**k you up.

Middle east has been at war since the beginning of time.

I can see where the self-research road ends and the government education begins.

I never said that would be the case

You implied via loaded terms such as "greatest threat to humanity."

You are so naive that you even believe that North Korea is considered a threat. It's not a threat at all

South Korea and Japan would disagree with that.

You can continue to indulge in your absurd irrational world view
You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
since you dont have the intellectual capacity to understand any of my explanations.

Wow, more ad hominem and personal attacks. Well done. You can't make yourself understand a different point of view other than your own so you settle with "oh well they're just stupid." I applaud the elitism. Do you even know how to be civil in a debate? At this point I don't think you do.

I agree that our arguing is pointless though. You already think your viewpoint on the world is 100% correct and superior and that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Your arguments while including some fact tend to be 50% or more ad-hominem based.

@Eklipse {TJC}

1. I dont blindly hate America like I don't hate America just because its America. I gave you the reasons why I dislike America in my previous reply.

2. America did cause many of the world problems, Al Qaida was funded and armed by America which was part of the Mujahideen during the Afghan Soviet war, when America invaded Iraq for the false claim of weapons of mass destruction, the invasion killed more then 113,728 civilians and destabilized the region and when US soldiers left Iraq they left a lot of US weapons which then ISIS came from Syria and took the weapons, same thing with Libya destabilized because of the NATO intervention. I am not blaming America for all the world problems just much of the world problems.

3. Yes there are also other countries that did a lot of bad things like North Korea, Russia and Israel for example, but nobody gets close as bad as America I mean for fuck sake America has bombed more then 27 countries since WW2. Has Russia and China bombed that many countries since WW2? America has a detention camp called Guantanamo bay in Cuba which tortures prisoners which btw 20% are proven to be innocent but are not still not released. It almost as bad North Korea's prison camps. And you still question why so many people hate America.

4. Well and you accuse for blindly hating America, when I gave you reason why I dislike America more then Europe or China. Its good that you also see that America has problems but you don't understand why people hate America more then other countries, but I agree with you on that some people do blindly hate only America

5. You tell me to stop with the double standard when you country was founded on double standard, I mean your country was founded by a group of slave owners that wanted to be free and say'd that all people were created equal, ah yeah except for Indians, blacks and woman right?

6. I wont reply back because I see this discusion going no where same as this thread and you will probably call my a blind American hater, I don't think I am superieur I am just a guy with my own opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5rVD_TXrjo
(Top 10 US-Backed Atrocities and Authoritarian Regimes)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ
(George Carlin on The American Dream)

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Lol Ottoman, way to pussy out on the argument

Ottoman Empire,

Firstly, yes it's true that ISIS took U.S weapons, but those weapons were originally given to the Iraqi government. Regimes in Iraq and Libya were both toppled in the hope of a more democratic government being established, you can't blame the U.S that the successor governments in these countries have been incompetent.

Secondly, Russia and China have committed just as many crimes as the U.S in the past century if not more. The main difference is that Russia (More so when it was part of U.S.S.R) and China tend to abuse their own people rather than fight in other countries.

Lastly, the founding of the U.S is irrelevant to the current conversation. There weren't many progressive countries in the world at the time of 1776. Most European countries still allowed slavery at the time and Spain was one of the biggest supporters of the slave trade. You'd be hard pressed to find a great place for women in this time frame as well. All of Europe was racist and sexist at one point as well. Don't use ancient history as argument against a modern country.

You can reply or not, I don't really care.

@{101st}Lawlz

No I dont pussy out if you read my reply I said that I saw this argument going no where and im just wasting my time because Eklipse is going to suck Americas and defend it no matter how many bad things it because he's a puppet. He says that China and Russia did more crimes than America in the past century which is totally bullshit, yeah the reason why Russia and China dont fight in other countries is because they are smart and do not waste 1,7 trillion dollars which was spend on the Iraq war which as you could see was totally worth because look how peacefull Iraq now is God Bless Bush.
Btw Eklipse the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq was because at first they said that Saddam Hussein had something to do With 9/11 and then they changed and said he had weapons of mass destrucion which was also not true it is the U.S fault why Libya and Iraq are a shithole now because if the U.S didn't topple the governments to begin with and bombing civilians which made the population of Iraq and Libya more radical is the reasons why these are failed states now. The fact your even defending U.S for Iraq War is mindblowing.





Edited 3/19/2015 21:19:06

You can reply or not, I don't really care.

False.

the iraq picture hasnt changed; if anything, it looks better