I would love to admit that America helped, but I don't like admitting false things. America's help is comparable to Mongolia and Tuva's help to Russia - not terribly much.

If you think that, what more could they have done?

Take out America from the war. Britain would most likely have fallen. Japanese Empire expanding. Africa and West Europe wouldn't need too much German Troops > more to the Eastern Front. Russia struggling with transport and food shortages. German Luftwaffe at its might on the eastern front. Japanese potentially could invade later on if Russia was winning. But they didn't want Siberia. If the Russians won, it would take much longer to do so and at a much greater cost of life and resources.

It's nothing to be proud of! You can be proud of winning the war. However Russia compared to the allies was a lot different in the sense of regimes. One was a democratic capitalist society who cared for its people and the other was a brutal communist regime that didn't. Lead by the most brutal murderer of the 20th Century...perhaps further.

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You're truly an idiot. I have a 4.0 GPA in all honors classes, and history happens to be my best subject.

Time to get a new best subject, since you're not good at it.

And are you aware that I have written not one- but two research papers on the European and Pacific thaters of WWII?

Time to get a new best subject, if you see so much information and still are using insults to try and further your argument.

The Australians were able to spearhead a counterattack, but partly because they didn't have to worry about Japan building an airbase in Guadalcanal and exerting control over the Solomons and American transport routes to Australia from the American Pacific Coast. And I never mentioned Port Moresby.

Air warfare was not really crucial to Japan - that's why they had so few pilots, though the ones they had were good. It was all about navy. And the Solomon Islands were tactically useless, so they weren't really tying their best there and building an airbase takes more than a few days.

Japanese forces were overruning the Commonwealth and ANZAC forces (if you even know what that stands for).

You're wrong, here.

America's supply* helped, American army certainly helped on the Western and African fronts.

One was a democratic capitalist society who cared for its people and the other was a brutal communist regime that didn't.

One side is true, one side is false. Come on, I thought you were smarter than this.

Japanese potentially could invade later on if Russia was winning. But they didn't want Siberia.

I think for this very reason, the Japanese would not invade Russia prolongledly, just take Primorsky and that's all that's really worth taking that's not too hard to take.

Capitalist governments didn't randomly go around killing it citizens or exiling workers if they broke equipment. Thats what I meant. Come on, I thought you were cleverer than this.

Few governments really care for their folk - and they do and did, perhaps not to Soviet Union's extent, but they did. I forgot what the operation was called, but the CIA was planning to do terrorist attacks on itself, frame it on Cuba as justification for war on Cuba. Sounds eerily similar to September 11 attacks.

Compared to Stalin's 20-50 million or so deaths he caused. Why are you trying to defend this? I do not know what operation you mean? Bay of Pigs?. But this is nothing compared to Russian brutality.

Nowhere near that number. The Purge roughly killed 1.5 million, and nothing else killed anybody.

I'm not saying Stalin was good, I'm not defending him - I'm saying that America is not democratic and did not care for it's folk (your claim).

Correct the purges were responsible for 1.5 million deaths. How about everything else then? Do some research. It's thoight to be 20,000,000 actually. But predictions do range up to 60...

I'm not saying Stalin was good, I'm not defending him - I'm saying that America is not democratic and did not care for it's folk (your claim).

I know but that's not my point...it's not even comparable to Russia. America was democratic and capitalist by definition.

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Famines happen naturally, Stalin was responsible himself for 1.5 million. The Goldomor, that was a tragedy, but it happened naturally (although Stalin could have done more to stop it).

What does by definition even mean here? No, it doesn't mean anything. America was undemocratic and did not care for it's folk, like most other important countries.

Ok you clearly haven't done any research. Here's some examples:
•Collectivisation (including famine caused by it) - about 10 million
•Gulags - thought to be around 5 million
•2 million died while being deported
•1 million German citizens and POWs killed

That's not the total figures.

By definition, "democracy is a government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system"

This was what America was...freedom of speech and private ownership etc etc

But America wasn't and isn't those things.

Collectivisation helped in the long term, and Stalin had no intention for the shorterm bad effects.
Gulags - the point is to keep them Alive to work.
3 - source
4 - well, German citizens, I mean, everyone was doing that - it was after World War 2!

And Russia was axiomatically democratic, too.

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Hurting my brain. What was America then? Of course they had freedom of speech and private ownership. What are you on about?

Collectivisation helped in the long term, what about the short time? "Stalin had no intention for shorten effect" You knew him personally? Try and look up the affects of collectivisation before giving a false statement.

Gulags - the point is to keep them Alive to work

Oh so they each had their own little apartment did they, with room service. The gulags were slave labour camps, so many went there they didn't care how many died.

Sources are all over, try looking at some yourself.

I mean, everyone was doing that - it was after World War 2!

The British and Germans treated each others POW's very well and they certainly didn't kill civilians.

I do not know what axiomatically means. But they certainly weren't demceatic. Stalin killed all his opposition between the purges.

Every country has limited speech freedom - if you said you think Communism is better than Capitalism too much in America, you'd be rehabilitated or shut up in some way before long. Just like it's counterpart would do.

Also, there's no reason why anyone would want to kill around 10 million their country's folk - 10 million workers, soldiers, folk is a resource like any other and you want to have as many resources as you can.

And of course they cared - like you say yourself, gulags are slave work camps, the more the merrier (unless it's over capacity).

Oh, you mean WPs, well, I can believe that (two Germanic races), but Hitler hated Slavs (and races different to his) way more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_ins_Reich

Poland, Russia were very affected by mass killings - 1/5 population died in Poland, 1/4 in Belarus. Nazi owned war prisoners had something like 15% death rate.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/axiomatic?q=axiomatically#axiomatic__6

Read the Soviet constitution, I have not read the 1936 one, but I'd imagine it's similar to the 1918 one. Not saying it was democratic, but near every country is democratic "by definition".

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Juq is so pro Russian and a blind chauvinist that he cannot even admit the obvious: without American help no way the Russians could have won against the Germans.

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I think he's a communist

communism has nothing to do with that, my family (particularly my mother) are communists and I am a socialist too, anything wrong with that?

Every country has limited speech freedom - if you said you think Communism is better than Capitalism too much in America, you'd be rehabilitated or shut up in some way before long. Just like it's counterpart would do.

You can believe in what you want. It will never work though.

@ Apollo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism#Victims_of_McCarthyism

Against communism, wasn't there a thing called the Cold War? Anythingelse other than communism?

The persian wars against the Ancient Greeks.

Battle of Marathon (480 BC)
Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC)
Naval Battle of Salamis (479 BC)
Battle of Platea (479 BC)

Haven't you ever read animal farm, xy? Written BY a communist? Stalin wanted power, nothing else. His industrial plans made the county a war machine while the people suffered.

Constitution if 1918 were lenin days. Better pull up that 1836 constitution instead.

Soviets would have won without American help, because of Britain, but they would have had a rough time and might have lost a few more battles, like Leningrad or Moscow. Germans simply didn't have the manpower the soviets had, and weren't prepared for winter.