I think the problem is that people think they are so smart, informed and intelligent, but if threatened the slightest, they jump into a condescending tone, claim the other side's stupidity and that their version of prejudice is better than the other's.


Tl;dr you're all stupid in your own,special way.

I would like to take this opportunity and say that homophobic and also sexist BS is pissing me of since the first day I signed up here, which is about half a year ago. I don't think I can change / convince people and don't have the time and energy to try to teach them. Consequent blacklisting kind of works for the games but this forum really gives me the creeps.

I want to say thanks to the OP for bringing it up - it is a problem, and we need to speak up at least every now and then because the homophobic fraction interprets silence as consent.

I think the problem is that people think they are so smart, informed and intelligent, but if threatened the slightest, they jump into a condescending tone, claim the other side's stupidity and that their version of prejudice is better than the other's.

are you invoking colonel's stupid "heterophobia"? it is ok to be vigilant against stupidity. it's ok to let people know they are stupid when they are trying to use logic and the bible at the same time. or when they are trying to argue that "homophiles/heterophobes" like me are trying to take away their rights as a straight person.

no one's trying to turn you gay, we just want you to keep your stupid thoughts to yourself.

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Is it just me, or does it seem like 1/2 the site is LGBT? No idea how many LGBT there are percentage wise real world, but I'd imagine it's a little less inflated.

No, the site is not nearly 1/2 LGBT. You seem to be under the impression that anyone who promotes LGBT rights is LGBT.

it's ok to let people know they are stupid when they are trying to use logic and the bible at the same time.,

Your attitude only helps proves Genghis' point. You complain about bigotry but have no problem acting demeaning towards anyone with religious beliefs.

no one's trying to turn you gay, we just want you to keep your stupid thoughts to yourself.

No, you aren't trying to turn anyone gay, you're just trying to silence people who have political views you don't like.

Is it just me, or does it seem like 1/2 the site is LGBT?

I don't know, but I'm starting to think 1/2 the site consists of Social Justice Warriors who can't tolerate (ironic for those who preach tolerance) any way of thinking other than their own, and consider anyone who dares to argue with them a total idiot.

It's accurate though regarding logic and bible. They obviously don't go together. It's why religion is centered on belief and faith, not mathematics or problem solving. Science is logical, religion is an attempt to irrationally explain away things you can't rationally interpret. It's not meant to be logical. Its purpose is to give your sheep something to fear so you can threaten them with it if they don't heed your commands.

I don't mean pro -lgbt,i mean lgbt, nauzhor.

Assume makes an ass out of you and me.

Religion is a motivation and an open door when you have no place to turn to. When you have committed a wrongdoing and are atheist, do you think that such a thing doesn't matter? Is it logical to think that we can commit wrongdoings and not be punished rightly so? Religion is a logic much more crueler and straightforward, whilst being very elastic. It's something someone doesn't understand when they see black and white but not the rainbow. I'm personally not very religious, and am very open-minded (though i hold strongly to the beliefs i do have) but i hate when people are intolerant when people like me are put in a position where are strongest views are criticized.

There was no assumption, more pointing out that the only way that someone could refer to half the forum as LGBT would be if they assumed anyone pro-LGBT was LGBT themselves.

And that's blatantly obvious. You exaggerated hugely.

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@Nauz: I don't mean to look picky, but religion is a little bit more complicated than simply 'God of the gaps'. There are many reasons why religions were formed, 'God of the gaps' may be part of it, but you also have to point out the need for cultural unity. While civilizations were building it became important that people have the same sort of beliefs. It makes working together much easier, and conquest much more plausible. If you could convert the people you conquer, then gradually they will become absorbed into your culture and no longer seek to rebel. You have to realize that smart people existed back then just as they do now, so there were people who realized this and manipulated the populace. Hell, it is still happening now in Modern day, but with propaganda. North Korea is a great example of how you can force people into submission by manipulating their beliefs and culture.

As for what this topic is actually about:

I have an intolerance of special needs people. It is somewhat rational, somewhat irrational. However, I do not go on tirades publicly on how I believe special needs people should be dealt with. I do not go out of my way to offend these people. I do not show my intolerance to them. I do not talk about this publicly at all, and this is the first time I've ever said so publicly. I'm doing so to make a point.

This is similarly to how I think everyone should treat the topic of LBGT. At the end of the day, my intolerance will only spark more flames than help. Privately I can believe whatever I want, I can vote however I want. LBGT debate is no different. If you believe that they don't have the right to marriage, or if you believe it is simply a mental illness. Whatever. You can elect people who agree with you. You can vote however you want in order to stop the LBGT legislation. The second you begin bullying people who are LBGT, or sending out messages of intolerance in a wrong setting, that's when you lose your credibility.

You can hate. At the end of the day, if these people are not directly affecting your life, then don't try to directly affect their life. If the topic comes up where people are asking you of your opinion, do so in a polite manner. Being loud and obnoxious is no way to solve a problem.

tl;dr: You can hold an intolerant position, but you should never go out of your way to express this position, nor should you be loud and obnoxious about it.

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Genghis - You don't need to be religious to have a conscience. You can not do something bad because you know it is bad.

As opposed to not doing it because you are afraid of the consequences of hell ever after or such like.

This is wandering off topic though, I don't think that the warlight forums are as inclusive as they used to be, and I do think that that reflects badly on the site and the community.

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Humanity is messed up like all of you.

I agree with Lolowut. Its in human nature to hold prejudice and to judge. As I said, homophobia itself is natural, harmless and not immoral. its only when homophobia is combined with harassment and bigotry is it immoral and should be condemned.

It was not my initial intention to state my opinion on this topic here, but here you go:

I don't think homosexuality is a cause for celebration but at the same time it shouldn't be cause for bullying and active discrimination. There is no need for any gay pride or anti-gay parades. There is nothing to be proud of and also nothing to be ashamed of. Society should accept that homosexuality is just an abnormal feature of humans that occurs naturally. No big deal. Lets live and let live.

On the matter of legalising gay marriages, I think society should continue to debate on this.

I have mixed views regarding this topic. On one hand I believe we have accepted that active discrimination and preventing people from living a normal life due to reasons beyond their control must end, but at the same time the institution of marriage has long been defined as man + woman, and it is on this foundation that society has been built on and evolved to today. Not to mention that possible psychological impacts upon a child who is raised without a mother or a father. Legalising homosexual marriages may also be used to set up a precedent and make people in the argue think that transgender, pedophilloic, bestial (man + animal) , incestuos (man + relative) and polygamous (multiple) relationships too should be legalised or accepted, although some of these ideas are heavily frowned upon by society.

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- Gay pride parades are held in response to hate, to raise awareness, not because gays think they are better than the rest.

- If you think homosexuality is abnormal, then what do you think about all the other animal species that engage in homosexual behaviour? Are they unnatural too? Also, if you so abhor anything unnatural, then you should at once stop using the microwave, eating refined sugar, living in a house with electricity and warm water, stop using medication for possible illnesses that you have etc.

- Banning gay marriage is a form of discrimination. Why should it matter that people are used to it? Legalize gay marriage, and soon they will get used to it too.

- Possible psychological damage? Citation please.

- Traditionalism is no safeguard against the billion forms of perversions you talk about. Christianity sanctions incest. Islam promotes pedophilia. If you dislike pedophilia and incest, you should fight religions instead.

Gay pride parades are held in response to hate, to raise awareness, not because gays think they are better than the rest.

Pride parades are not necessarily 'held in response' to hate parades.. They occur regularly and in my opinion, mainly celebrate LGBT cultures and pride.

I believe that homosexuality should be tolerated. That homosexuals should be protected from hate and active discrimination by the law. Many believe this too. However, some too don't believe that homosexuality and LGBT cultures should be promoted. There is a difference between accepting that homosexuality is an uncontrollable natural abnormality and accepting the integration of LGBT cultures into traditional society. Gay 'pride' is also unnecessary, as I'v already said, in my opinion, there is no pride and also no shame in being gay.

If you think homosexuality is abnormal, then what do you think about all the other animal species that engage in homosexual behaviour?

As I said in another post, by abnormal, I mean that literally - it is simply not the norm. It is like being born without a limb. Is it normal to be born without a limb? No. Is being born without a limb natural? Yes. Abnormal doesn't necessarily mean unnatural.

Banning gay marriage is a form of discrimination. Why should it matter that people are used to it? Legalize gay marriage, and soon they will get used to it too.

I do concede the point here. Yes, society has evolved to a stage where such forms of unacceptable discrimination shouldn't be tolerated simply because of traditionalism. Nevertheless, there are still a few factors I've mentioned that society should consider before legalising gay marriages.

I have to go now, I'll respond to your other points later.

Pride parades are not necessarily 'held in response' to hate parades.. They occur regularly and in my opinion, mainly celebrate LGBT cultures and pride.

I wasn't talking about gay hate parades. I meant that gay pride parades are held in response to everyday gayhate practiced by a substantial part of society. As such, they are a temporary measure that will last as long as homophobia does.

However, some too don't believe that homosexuality and LGBT cultures should be promoted. There is a difference between accepting that homosexuality is an uncontrollable natural abnormality and accepting the integration of LGBT cultures into traditional society. Gay 'pride' is also unnecessary, as I'v already said, in my opinion, there is no pride and also no shame in being gay.

It only makes sense to promote gay "pride" in response to others promoting the notion that homosexuality is a sin. If homophobia disappears, I will agree with you that promoting gay "pride" is meaningless. But in the meantime, I will disagree.

As I said in another post, by abnormal, I mean that literally - it is simply not the norm. It is like being born without a limb. Is it normal to be born without a limb? No. Is being born without a limb natural? Yes. Abnormal doesn't necessarily mean unnatural.

So by abnormal you mean that a trait is not shared by at least 51% of society? Ok. But why do you compare it with losing a limb?

Here's a better comparison: Being Chinese is abnormal in the wider context. They have a strange skin color and funny eyes. They also speak a language most that people do not understand. So is being Chinese comparable with being born with the down syndrome? Both are abnormal. I don't really get what you are trying to say with your comparison.

Being Chinese is abnormal in the wider context. They have a strange skin color and funny eyes.

As the Chinese make up the biggest ethnic group in the world. I imagine Pulsey has stronger grounds to reverse that statement than you have to make it ;)

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2011-07/11/content_22967992.htm

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Chinese is moreover the most spoken language, nothing abnormal. Actually what is abnormal is that you did not start learning it.

As the Chinese make up the biggest ethnic group in the world. I imagine Pulsey has stronger grounds to reverse that statement than you have to make it ;)

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2011-07/11/content_22967992.htm

While that may be true, it is irrelevant. Neither Chinese nor white people make up 51%+ of the world population. Doesn't invalidate my point that being Chinese is not the norm, ie. it is abnormal according to him.

being a lion isn't normal either.

we need to



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