Also, evolution IS just atheist dogma. There's no reason why God couldn't have simply started all the processes we recognize today. It's preposterous to believe every thing is meaningless, only existing in a short term, hoping one day to simply be stumbled upon.

I am sick of arguing with ignorant people. PLEASE go look what is the theory of evolution instead of using the strawman fallacy time and again. The theory of evolution says NOTHING about a deity. Science says NOTHING about a deity or a lack of deity. Deities, atheism and superstition is NOT the subject of science.
If you want to believe that a deity have started all the processes we recognize today, it is FINE, i might disagree but i have no argument against it. In fact this is exactly how christians reconcile evolution with religion.
The problem is when people don't recognize the said processes. Science explains reality. And it so happens that the reality described by science is inconsistant with the bible myths. It says NOTHING about any kind of gods. It is really just a case of science versus faith.

@125ch209

Laisses tomber 125ch, et ne te fatigues pas avec eux. Les obscurantistes ne peuvent être raisonnés.

Cosmos A Space Time Odyssey - Episode 1&2 (40 min each, episode 2 talks about evolution)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQWYUtZoNRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df1PR_yZnr0

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So what you guys are tryna tell me is that we have evolved from algae? You guys are stupid. The guy who made all this shit up, was high on weed.

Cade ever heard of Darwin?

Darwin was christian by the way

and to every rational person on the planet.

Well dang, guess there are billions of irrational people. Woe for humanity...

I am not "defending" evolution, i am merely trying to provide all the information that one might need to have an educated opinion.

You've done more than provide information. You've treated anyone who doesn't believe in evolution as if they're either completely ignorant or stupid. Not everyone is going to believe this theory, just like not everyone's going to accept religion. So stop trying to force it.


I am sick of arguing with ignorant people.

This proves part of my point, just because someone doesn't go along with the theory you support doesn't make them ignorant. Majority of people already know full well what Evolution entails, they simply just don't believe it.

If you throw a ball in the air, you can never be sure it will come down. Yet the theory of gravity is supported by so much evidence than it would be unreasonable to assume the contrary. Just like evolution.

This is not a good comparison. Gravity can be proven very simply, throw something in the air and then watch it fall. Done, theory proven. Want to prove the Earth is round? There's satellite imagery or you can just sail around it. Theory proven. Evolution does not have that kind of solid confirmation.

You attack evolution as an idea

I haven't really attacked evolution, merely your means of trying to push it on people and acting as if your way of thinking is somehow superior.

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This is not a good comparison. Gravity can be proven very simply, throw something in the air and then watch it fall. Done, theory proven. Want to prove the Earth is round? There's satellite imagery or you can just sail around it. Theory proven. Evolution does not have that kind of solid confirmation.

Evolution has already been proven by various scolars in ethnology, archeology, antrophology or genetic fields, people who are clearly more qualified than all of us. Hence, you cannot maintain and assure, there are no solid confirmation.

I haven't really attacked evolution, merely your means of trying to push it on people and acting as if your way of thinking is somehow superior.

oh really? interesting to see you are acting the same way, instead of being both offensive and arguing without peremptory assertions, Eclipse, Cade or Genghis, just try to answer his comments about evolution, evidences must
be weighed and assessed according to whether it is credible, corroborated and compelling.

LETS BE CLEAR

I did not say people were ignorant because they didn't believe in evolution.

Most people against evolution in this thread don't know the first thing about evolution, wich make them ignorant in that regard.

All argument against evolution on this thread were just misconception, misunderstanding or flat out lies about evolution.

When you give me an argument against evolution that doesn't misrepresent evolution in a stawman fallacy, i will take you seriously.

Until then, i believe i linked enough material here so that you can educate yourself about evolution and then come back to me when you have a reasonable objection against it. Then we can talk.

On the other hand, i shouldn't have used this language, i agree.

Gravity can be proven very simply, throw something in the air and then watch it fall. Done, theory proven.

How is throwing a ball and watch it fall proving the theory of gravity? If you repeat a 1000 time an experience and you always get the same result, it doesn't "prove" anything. How can you be sure when you throw it for the 1001st time it won't float away?
There is NO absolute proof. In science, we accept that a theory has been "proven" when the evidences for it make it true beyond reasonnable doubt. When you deal with reality, you can never be Absolutely 100% sure of anything. Even the things you see, you can't possibly be 100% sure that what you see is real.

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.As with most (if not all) forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive power and explanatory capability"

Evolution does not have that kind of solid confirmation.

Wrong. you just don't know about it because you refuse to research it.

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What is evolution? (8min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhHOjC4oxh8

What is Natural Selection (9min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SCjhI86grU

What Darwin Never Knew (106 min documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B03bvFrDVNY

When is this guy gonna get bored of convincing people that we're all gorillas?

You've convinced me that you are :)

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Harthacanute: shut up.

You make theists look bad.

I am a Christian, and I plan on watching these videos over the next week or two. It's always interesting to learn more about a subject, even if you don't agree with the author's point of view. 125ch209 has always seemed to be a reasonable guy, so I'm sure these videos will have some solid evidence. How can you make an educated choice on what to believe in if you don't know the facts?

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even if you don't agree with the author's point of view

Definition of intelligence.

even if you don't agree with the author's point of view

Definition of intelligence.

Although I don't agree with the writer of this I would like too see if you have any facts supporting this.

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Although I don't agree with the writer of this I would like too see if you have any facts supporting this.

Supporting evolution or supporting that not agreeing with someone but wanting to learn their POV is intelligence?


Evolution - the fact that bacteria can change and adapt to consume citrate as well as glucose in 2 decades (45,000 generations) is a fact supporting evolution. The Lenski experiment shows this.

Not agreeing but listening = intelligence - Since there is no direct measurement of intelligence, it cannot be said. I am as smart as everyone else on the planet. Academically, maybe not. Socially, maybe not. Wanting to learn someones point of view even if you don't agree with it shows many types of intelligence.

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