first of all, had the US been neutral in World War 1, Germany would've won
second, it was the Americans who completely took over the Western front of World War 2. The Germans only declared on the US because fucking Japan had to bomb them

first of all, had the US been neutral in World War 1, Germany would've won
second, it was the Americans who completely took over the Western front of World War 2. The Germans only declared on the US because fucking Japan had to bomb them

Go get 'im, Panda.

Also, Panda, I was talking about American guns.
And forbidding guns...doesn't completely work.

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Europe-"stop spying on us!" America-"France is spying on England who is spying on Germany who is spying on Italy" Europe-"that's classified!"

>Uses Greater than symbols

>Not knowing green text

>It's not green.

@Angry Panda

What are you talking about? The Germans got spied themsselfes by the Americans, even more than any other European country. The BND helped the NSA cause the FRG is only a vassal of the United States, but if you say that publicly in Germany you will be threat as anti-American, far-right person.

You also talked about the conflicts between France and Germany, which would have caused both World Wars. I don't think that this relationship caused the WWs, but it definitely exacerbated them, especially WW1.

By the way, Germany did not initiated the massive spying, and your assertion that this affair would be a sign of a possible resurgence of the french-german hostility is insulting.
Also i don't think that remilitarizing our army is possible. Did you heard of the G36 troubles? Our army gained a really, really bad reputation during the last years, at least in our own country.

@Жұқтыру

Forbidding guns works good in Europe, at least in France and Germany (excluding Bavaria) ad
definitely better than in the USA.

Edited 5/6/2015 12:25:50

Excluding Bayern...
And excluding Marseilles, as well, I assume?

I read a statistic - more than half the guns owned in France are illegally gotten.

Edited 5/5/2015 22:46:46

i also read a statistic - Apple is worth more than the GDP of Russia

first of all, had the US been neutral in World War 1, Germany would've won

No, with or without America we would have won anyway, it would have taken certainly more time for the French and the British to finish this war. But the western front has never been broken, in the latter days of ww1, only one time the Germans advanced during the Chemin des dames offensive in 1917, but after the second battle of the Marne, a counter attack of the French initiated in Villers Cotterêts devastated the German forces, and this marked almost the end of the war for the Germans, their Austrian allies already surrendered, and revolts began in Germany against the Kaiser.

second, it was the Americans who completely took over the Western front of World War 2. The Germans only declared on the US because fucking Japan had to bomb them

No most of the German generals were against the declaration of war, Hitler was an idiot, if the western front was successful it's only because the Germans wasted all their armies in the Russian front. So you should thank the Russians and Hitler's dumbness.

I also read a statistic - America would be crushed in a war with Russia and if the Cold War ever went hot (after 1949).

Statistic: Watermelon is bigger GDP than America.

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You think that France and the UK had a chance at winning after russia surrendured? Germany had 20% more troops that couldve been used on the western front, and i dont mean belgium; no, i mean Italy.

And i am perfectly aware of hitler's stupidity, but he had to stick to the treaty.

British and French and Italian and Portuguese empire had more resources than Germany (without Africa), and it's allies and resource war was the name of the game. If you look at a map at World War 1's end, you'll see that France barely even got into Germany, just an Alsace bit. Lines stayed generally the same until late 1918, a couple months before the war ended, starting with the Vardar offensive in Bulgaria and the Third Transjordan offensive in Turkey.

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And all those were done with the help of the US

Help, yes, it's pretty hard not to help your allies in a war.

Exactly, Skourby, you seem to underestimate the Britsh and French Empire's potential, together those empires covered 40% of the total world landmass. In the other hand, the Germans were already at their maximum, and lost a huge amount of soldiers, Germany would have surrendered soon or later, exhausted of this war.

Fun fact: The US started ww1, because the Germans were plotting with Mexico and promised them to give them back California, Texas and any lands lost before.

Skourby is one of the retarded Americans you guys hear so much about. In his mind, no one can beat the United states military, our economy is the best in the world, and everyone who hates the USA is just jealous.

Um no, i think more highly of germany but you are correct about the first two XD

But in case you didnt notice lawlz, we are talking about a century ago. Do you know how much a century is?
Thats right! 100 years.
Now, can you count to 100? Ill help you
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.....

This is how WW2 happened, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAbw7udjMI