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Gayday America: 6/30/2015 12:01:07

[NI] Lord eKell
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I really like that county in Alabama's policy of just banning all marriage its a fantastically stupid way of achieving equality, which is ultimately the goal anyway.

The US constitution is far too short to govern such a huge country, and its also too difficult to amend anymore, but hey, they made the right call this time.
Gayday America: 6/30/2015 12:02:27


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The whole "let's focus on more important matters" thing is just pathetic. I have some news: Focusing on more than one issue at a time, is possible, and is already happening.

Congrats to USA. If people don't want all the focus on social justice, I recommend continuing the struggle for justice, because the only way you'll ever make focus on it unneeded, is by having it.

I live in a so-called "tolerant" country of Denmark. Maybe if I hadn't heard people playing music with "gays aren't real people" and people always using "gay" as slurs towards one-another most days back in school and high school I wouldn't have been as interested in the whole issue... But now you can be sure that I will.

And finally:

Gayday America: 6/30/2015 21:58:09


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I think it's worth noting that Obergefell v. Hodges didn't actually change that much; Gay marriage was only illegal in 6 states.
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 03:34:23


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I think they should just get rid of the government recognition of marriage all together.

1. All citizens are promised equal treatment under the law.
2. People who are married have to pay taxes together and must also are allow certain privileges in the tax code that un married people aren't allowed.
3. Government recognized marriages give married people privileges that unmarried people don't have.
4. This violates equal treatment under the law.
5. Government recognition of Marriage should be abolished.

For the record, I have been saying Marriage should be abolished for years now but that always sounded like "giving up" to the social right and "to radical" for the lgbt community.

Do you know how ISIS celebrated Same-sex marriage in the USA? They threw 4 gay men off of a rooftop to their gory, bloody, brutal deaths. But apparent the GREAT INJUSTICE of the world that got HOURS AND HOURS of media coverage is that gays in america used to not be able to get married.
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 03:42:39


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America is the most hypocritical country in the world.

Ban the Confederate flag but not the Nazi flag.

Make a big issue out of Same Sex marriage but not pay any attention to the Gays in the middle east who are being led to the slaughter.

Act like there is a "War on Women" in America and verbally bash each other when Women in Saudi Arabia and the middle east can't drive, can't go out in public without a man, can't show their face, and can't own land.

Give amnesty to people who crossed the border illegally but lock up the drug offender who wasn't hurting anybody or sucking the economy dry.

Go to war in Iraq to get the non existent Chemical weapons but just allow Iran, a country that sponsors terrorism to get NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

Wtf does america stand for anymore?
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 03:45:04

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Give amnesty to people who crossed the border illegally but lock up the drug offender who wasn't hurting anybody or sucking the economy dry.

Who IS sucking the economy dry then? Who? Because the Drug Offenders are certainly not helping the economy.
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 03:54:56


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Rogue wins.
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 12:56:06


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Ban the Confederate flag but not the Nazi flag.


The Confederate Flag is not banned. The country simply doesn't want it to be flown by government buildings, but there's no law against it either. And the companies that don't sell the Confederate flag generally don't sell the Nazi flag either.

Make a big issue out of Same Sex marriage but not pay any attention to the Gays in the middle east who are being led to the slaughter.


That's not our jurisdiction.

Act like there is a "War on Women" in America and verbally bash each other when Women in Saudi Arabia and the middle east can't drive, can't go out in public without a man, can't show their face, and can't own land.


Help I'm getting mugged! But don't worry. Someone else, somewhere in the world is getting murdered so they have it worse. Clearly that means my situation is okay.

Give amnesty to people who crossed the border illegally but lock up the drug offender who wasn't hurting anybody or sucking the economy dry.


Even illegal immigrants are net contributors to the economy- I mean, they're cheap labor so they end up producing more for less. Neither illegal immigration nor possession of drugs hurts anyone.
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 13:10:03

[NI] Lord eKell
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Go to war in Iraq to get the non existent Chemical weapons but just allow Iran, a country that sponsors terrorism to get NUCLEAR WEAPONS

No one was every stupid enough to believe that Iraq actually had 'WMD's' and America is doing a lot to stop Iran from getting nukes. It's very difficult to stop a very advanced society with many strong allies around the world, like Iran, from building a weapon that Pakistan and North Korea have achieved whilst being in much worse positions.

Iran's geography would make it even harder to invade than Iraq, Iran has far more people and a more organised military. Not to mention it would be basically impossible to get anything more through the UN with Russia's increasing hostility.

And then there's the utterly moronic notion that only the complete fucking dipshits in Foxnews keep suggesting, which bombing the nuclear facility. Intentionally creating a new chrnobyl in the centre of the region that already hates the US is no going to help anyone
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 13:15:28


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I couldn't agree more with just about everything Rogue said.

That's not our jurisdiction.

It's still hypocritical that Americans are quick to boycott a restaurant chain because of the CEO's political views yet there's never a serious outcry to sanction any of our oil buddies in the Middle East who stone and hang homosexuals on a regular basis.

Help I'm getting mugged! But don't worry. Someone else, somewhere in the world is getting murdered so they have it worse. Clearly that means my situation is okay.

That's not a fair analogy. What we're talking about is more like demanding someone apologize for insulting you while somebody else nearby is getting brutally beaten to death.

Neither illegal immigration nor possession of drugs hurts anyone.

Surely you're joking? Illegal immigrants taking jobs at under minimum wage does nothing but damage the economy, it also hurts the common U.S worker by lowering the bar. Why hire some one at a decent rate when you can just pick up a couple illegals instead? Not to mention it's appalling that so many businesses get away with the abuse.

As for drug possession, it hurts the users for one. But if that alone doesn't matter to you then it's also an economical burden. Drugs due serious medical damage and usually addicts can't pay for their own medical bills because all the money went to drugs. So that means tax-payers/government has to spend great resources healing these drug users of their self-inflicted damage.

There are enough unpreventable diseases that we need to devote resources into curing without having thousands of cases of self-inflicted illness going around.
Gayday America: 7/1/2015 14:21:39


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It's still hypocritical that Americans are quick to boycott a restaurant chain because of the CEO's political views yet there's never a serious outcry to sanction any of our oil buddies in the Middle East who stone and hang homosexuals on a regular basis.


The Chick-fil-A counterboycott was actually bigger than the CFA boycott. Moreover, it wasn't just his political views- Chick-fil-A actually donates some of its profits to groups that use them to campaign against not only gay marriage in the US but gay human rights around the world. You can actually trace some of the money going to promote Uganda's infamous "Kill the Gays" bill (and toward seminars which promote anti-gay violence and persecution in African countries) to Chick-fil-A patties.

The media narrative here was more than a little bit oversimplified- it's not like Mozilla where the CEO was homophobic; the company as a whole actually ends up giving money to causes some people do not want to support. The rational way to handle that (if you don't want to give your money to those causes) is a boycott.

That's not a fair analogy. What we're talking about is more like demanding someone apologize for insulting you while somebody else nearby is getting brutally beaten to death.


It was a reductio ad absurdum. Even in your new reframed analogy, you're claiming that something bad doens't matter because something worse exists. Moreover, the US doesn't have the power to change Saudi Arabian society in the near future- what would we do, nuke them for being bigots?

Surely you're joking? Illegal immigrants taking jobs at under minimum wage does nothing but damage the economy, it also hurts the common U.S worker by lowering the bar. Why hire some one at a decent rate when you can just pick up a couple illegals instead? Not to mention it's appalling that so many businesses get away with the abuse.


On the contrary, they earn less and produce more. That's what creates growth in a capitalist economy- more production for less investment. They also create jobs through consumption.

As far as the jobs issue goes, that's also being done by the companies that are illegally hiring illegal immigrants (you need certain documentation to work in the US) and then using their leverage to prevent the government from enforcing these laws.

Why hire some one at a decent rate when you can just pick up a couple illegals instead? That's exactly how unskilled labor is supposed to operate in a capitalist society- you go for the cheapest person. It's not the illegals that are producing this system of perverse incentives, and it's not their fault that they want to work.

As for drug possession, it hurts the users for one. But if that alone doesn't matter to you then it's also an economical burden. Drugs due serious medical damage and usually addicts can't pay for their own medical bills because all the money went to drugs. So that means tax-payers/government has to spend great resources healing these drug users of their self-inflicted damage.


That's an oversimplified narrative. Drug users are far from economically unproductive. I go to college with some of the smart people my age in the United States (we're talking about the best computer scientists and engineers, people who go on to make amazing things) and they do more drugs in a month than most people do in their entire lives.

Drugs due serious medical damage and usually addicts can't pay for their own medical bills because all the money went to drugs.

That's true for crack cocaine, which is more or less working that way (and inflicting its damage on poor, primarily black communities). That's not true for LSD, marijuana, or the other common culprits. You literally cannot overdose on marijuana.

Tobacco and alcohol are the far greater culprits than either of these two. In any case, the damage they do is more or less negligible.

There are enough unpreventable diseases that we need to devote resources into curing without having thousands of cases of self-inflicted illness going around.

People who generally overdose on drugs are either in poverty, come from a bad background, or mentally ill. It's not the drug possession that fucks up their lives, and it's not lack of drug possession that will solve it.
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