"Banning" is anyway the wrong word - it should be removed from government buildings, and decent and respectable people should refrain from flying it, because it is a symbol of racist ideology.

It doesn't symbolize that. It's a flag. It represents Lee's Virginian Army.

It's a flag, and just like any flag, it symbolizes the institution it's flown in support of.

If you want to repudiate the racist ideology of the Confederacy, you must repudiate the symbolism of the Confederacy.

Is there really a McDonald's everywhere?

Depends on what given definition of "everywhere" you are using.

Is everyone fat and stupid?

No, but if you rephrase the question to "and/or stupid, I can only say ..... maybe?

Do you see famous people every day?

Yes. I look in the mirror, and there he is!

Does everyone have a gun (or two)?

Nope.

What do most people think about Mexicans?

Their accents aren't Southern, so they're not legit Southerners.

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Uhhh even the Union believed in White Superiority, they simply did not believe in slavery.

Decent and respectable people shouldn't fly it

Why though the further uses of it devalues any offensive meaning people hold of it. And it's damn ascetics pleasing too if it wasn't very offensive I would fly the kriegsmarine flag as well (very well design in fact a lot of the most evil flags are actually I think I just love flags)

It should also be noted that the flag everyone wants to ban isn't even the Confederate flag. It's the flag used by Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

and decent and respectable people should refrain from flying it, because it is a symbol of racist ideology.

If you want to repudiate the racist ideology of the Confederacy, you must repudiate the symbolism of the Confederacy.

Ten times as much racism,enslavement, and death has been carried by the United States in it's history as a nation. Is the U.S flag racist or hateful? Should we also ban the U.S flag if some minority group suddenly starts saying it's offensive?

In addition, is the Spanish flag racist? The Spanish Empire was one of the main engines of the slave trade for quite sometime.

I guess it's easier for people to scapegoat a dead country than actually deal with modern problems in a productive way. As I've said before, banning a flag accomplishes nothing. If anything, you're just giving more fire to the people who fly it by telling them they can't.

Uhhh even the Union believed in White Superiority, they simply did not believe in slavery.

This. The North was extremely racist, only a small percentage actually believed in full racial equality at the time.

I'm Transflag and this thread is offensive.(joke)

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*Checks out thread* *thinking this is a cool idea* *sees everybody talking about confederate flags again* *sits and aw* *marvels at some people* *promptly leaves*

The Fourteenth Amendment was passed in 1868, at the conclusion of the Civil War, and its ratification was a condition of the southern states regaining representation in Congress.

The Confederacy was founded on the notion of white supremacy. You should refer to the founding documents - the declaration of causes of the various southern states, the statements of the leaders of the Confederate movement - they explicitly stated that the defining difference between the Southern and Northern states was the issue of race, and what rights should be accorded to people of African descent.

A particularly famous speech is the "Cornerstone speech" of Alexander Stephens, the vice-president of the Confederacy:

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind -- from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics; their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man.

Edit: let me break out that last sentence for you, in case you didn't read all the way through: "They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyNS1PMHPqo

Truncate, you're completely dodging the issue. Nobody here has said the Confederacy was good, or that it wasn't racist.

What we're saying is that at the time EVERY country was racist. Using the same logic the U.S flag represents just as much if not more racism than the C.S.A flag. The past was a very brutal place, but we can't change that, and banning symbols of the past because we're scared of it takes us nowhere.

Yes, the Confederacy was founded on white supremacy, but so was the United States. (Not as blatantly, but it was)

I'm gonna go back on topic and ask America a question:

Do people actually support Donald Trump? Have you spoken with these people? What do they say?

Thank you for getting back on topic, Pie.

Do people actually support Donald Trump?

Yes.

Have you spoken with these people?

I used to be one of them. He is a successful businessman (which is why I wanted Romney in the previous election), and despite what the media wants you to think, he's not racist. That being said, he hasn't actually given us any insight as to what he'll actually do. "I will make America great again!" That's great! How? "[insert extremely bareboned general statement here]"

What do they say?

They say he is a successful businessman, says what he has on his mind (he doesn't pussyfoot around), and acknowledges problems fully and doesn't try being all PC about shit.

All of this is true, but he hasn't yet explained what he is actually going to do.

In my not so humble or respectful opinion, Trump will pretty much ruin the country.



This isn't fucking monopoly.

This isn't fucking monopoly.

You're right. The board game has more money.

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Do people actually support Donald Trump?

Quite a few. I'm not one of them, but I fully understand the appeal.

Have you spoken with these people? What do they say?

Darth Darth Binks summed it up pretty well. He's a successful businessman, so people think he'll be good for the economy. He also appeals to a lot of people because he's not politically correct in the slightest and says exactly what he means.

How many parents believe they should be allowed to hit kids?

Is the divorce rate as high as shown in the media?

Edited 11/29/2015 05:44:32

I don't support Trump. I know very few people who will say that they support him, and several who are vocal (including conservatives) about disliking him.

The reasons people have given me for supporting him:
A. He's a businessman
B. He's not a politician
C. He doesn't mince words
D. They believe he'll be tough on foreign policy/terrorism
E. There isn't another candidate that they like better

Do people in US know other languages than English? (learnt, not native)

What do people think about having colonies around the world?

Do people prefer the pure Capitalist system, or the EU system? (free healthcare, education, etc)