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Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 05:45:58


Paul.L.Fla
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1) ^

2) Also in this special case there might be the possibility to (re)incorporate the Alsace (and
cut-off territories) as bonus-free (0) areas

3) Saarbrucken -> Saarbrücken

English Versions->Endonyms:
(if important)
Flanders -> Vlaanderen
Luxembourg -> Lëtzebuerg
Hanover -> Hannover
Vienna -> Wien
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 06:39:05


Angry Koala
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I told you twice already, the middle and dark blue shades are where Swedish speakers have a majority (not light blue, though), this is from the Finnish government statistic website.


And I Will tell you that again: Swedish is a minority language in that place spoken by an infinitesimal proportion of people there, you can tell me there are many places with dark colors, it wont change the fact about it, and you will keep being irrelevant as long as you refuse to accept the obvious.

*Most lands on this map are named after one borough.
*As it seems, it has not proven that I am wrong, or maybe I have failed to see it (show me if I have).
*You're not even bringing up any actual figures ("infinitesmal") except Turku has 5.2% Swedish, which is why I said that the land should not be named Turku, but something like Jakobstad, while I have shown you.

Now I do understand now why you brought up this earlier beach exemple, but it's a very small change to do, landwise, but very tedious and hard, and you can say this of very many lands on this map.


As for now you have never proven at all Swedish was spoken by a majority of people in the Finnish regions that were added, you just provided an irrelevant source, a map without even legends on it and the example of only one city where Swedish is dominant, so unless you prove me I am wrong, you can say what you want, I start to know you and how you behave, you will always refuse that what you say is wrong, as you cannot curb at all your arrogance.

Passing off a claim as axiom, and very much exaggeration...do you see one land that you disagree with its inclusion besides Finland?


Aren't you doing the same, even worse, you pass claims with wrong sources, whereas I at least provided actual data's showing that Swedish was spoken by an infinitesimal group of people. Again prove I am wrong and bring datas about the entire region showed in Imperator's map and I will start to consider your statements.

First, irrelevant does not mean the same word as wrong, something wrong can be very relevant. You've yet to show anything for this. You did show some teaching slide with unknown source talking about total speakers of Alsatian in all France, which is obviously lower than mother speakers in Alsace, while I (right me if you think different) have a pretty safe. Another: http://www.insee.fr/fr/insee_regions/alsace/themes/cpar12_1.pdf

« L’alsacien est parlé en Alsace par 39 % des adultes, soit 500 000 personnes » (p. 1) (and evidently, the mother speakers will be lower than total speakers, which is already minority)


Irrelevant usually leads to wrong claims and answers.
Now, I already explained you that making stats about languages in France is hard, that's why you have different estimations about Alsatian.
Did you even opened the link I provided? I guess not, a different survey was led by a French organism and their results were published by a Canadian university, and they found 53% of people spoke Alsatian in Alsace! (hence a majority), not only elder people but younger generations! 53% of children were studying Alsatian in some degree in Langue Régionale classes. Well you aren't from France so perhaps you believe regional languages are all moribund, but for younger generations (after the 90s) such as me, we had the opportunity to have some teaching in regional languages! And it is even a majority of people nowadays in Alsace, Corsica or Iparralde!

But let's agree to disagree, even if I consider your own estimation, which is the lowest one, it still proves there is more people proportionally speaking a Germanic tongue in Alsace than the current regions of Finland where Swedish is spoken by a infinitesimal group of people. This is why adding these Finland regions were wrong if you do not add Alsace at all, you have to choose between not adding them both or adding them both, but not just one between the two which is actually where there is a even fewer percentage of people speaking a Germanic tongue!

Edited 5/13/2016 06:44:16
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 15:07:40


Dutch Desire 
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This map is well made, exept for the Belgium part.

This map is the most accurate that shows the Germanic Languages borders:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Indo-European_languages_in_Europe.png
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 15:13:24


Imperator
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Hey, Be sure to check out the latest version:

https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=56280

I'll update the OP with this link.
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 19:14:58


Жұқтыру
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This map is the most accurate that shows the Germanic Languages borders:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Indo-European_languages_in_Europe.png


More or less, but it overestimates how much Celtic tongues are spoken, even according to maximal censal data.

à Koala:

If you really are feeling into it, you can check for yourself to see if I am right or wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_of_Finland_in_which_Finnish_is_not_the_sole_official_language

As for Alsace, you still have not said anything about mother speakers, which is what is being measured, and even total speakers barely makes it over half.

Curb your zeal.
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 19:23:45


chuck norris
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change rotterdam to utrecht, rotterdam is in the region you called amsterdam, utrecht is the biggest city in the region you called rotterdam
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 21:24:09


Angry Koala
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Indo-European_languages_in_Europe.png

^ You have to explain me how Alsatian is again omitted here whereas way more moribund language like Breton are shown in this map? This map is quite inaccurate.

This map is better: http://aleph2at.free.fr/contenu/media/germanique-carte.jpg


à Monsieur Juq, you have still not given me any datas about how many speakers of Swedish are present in the regions added by Imperator, you constantly show new maps with no demographics at all (the latest one shows only places where there is a policy of bilingualism, not actual datas again).

As for Alsace, as I told you many times, it is hard to find relevant statistics, since survey made in France about ethnicities and languages are not encouraged. You wont find any map about Alsace showing current places where Alsatian is more spoken.
As for native speakers, most of those speakers of Alsatian are native speakers, because the higher rate of Alsatian speakers is found in the older ones, (70% of Alsatian speakers for the older ones). So I would expect a rather high ratio of native speakers.

You also tend to forget as I said earlier, that even if Alsatian is a minority language, it is still around 40%, whereas Swedish is spoken by ONLY 5% of people from Åboland/Turku ("89.4% of Turku's population speak Finnish as their native language, while 5.2% speak Swedish.", source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turku#Demographics), and you have to take in count Alsatian is not a minority for actual Alsatians, Strasbourg is an international city and capital of Europe, for this very reason Alsatian's ratio is pretty much lowered, but if there was a map showing where Alsatian is spoken, you would get a map showing excepted in big cities (Strasbourg, Mulhouse) a high majority of Alsatian speakers anywhere else.

If the map is published with no change (I am going to rate it since I participated in this discussion), I cannot say it would represent the best way where "Germanic languages" are spoken, since places in Finland are added where a infinitesimal percentage of people speak a Germanic language, and some others like Alsace where a great part of the population still speak Alsatian. My vote will take in count this factor of course.
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 21:24:50


Angry Koala
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"curb your zeal" > Pretentious, Hypocrite (you see I can also make Juqish remarks).
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 21:32:04


Imperator
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If the map is published with no change (I am going to rate it since I participated in this discussion), I cannot say it would represent the best way where "Germanic languages" are spoken, since places in Finland are added where a infinitesimal percentage of people speak a Germanic language, and some others like Alsace where a great part of the population still speak Alsatian. My vote will take in count this factor of course.


There are people (Juq is one I know, and now you) who rate maps on petty things like this, but to be honest the vast majority of people just rate maps on how well they play; So please don't try to threaten me with a bad rating if I don't make changes you want me to.

change rotterdam to utrecht, rotterdam is in the region you called amsterdam, utrecht is the biggest city in the region you called rotterdam


On it, thanks :)
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 21:43:54


Imperator
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Alright, so I've finally found out what all the confusion is about.

If you look very closely (as I do not do when picking names off of google maps, which is why utrecht was named "Rotterdam"), Turku is actually not in the part of finland that I've included on my map:

http://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/1246983/a973ab62e805cb414beb64f0a161e358

The only part I've included are some islands that are next to turku, but not turku itself.

The southern part of finland has been renamed to "Jakobstad" as per juqs suggestion.

Edited 5/13/2016 21:44:25
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 21:53:23


Жұқтыру
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Jakobstad is in the other Swedish land - you can name this bottom one Raseborg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raseborg). But Vaasa is not really Swedish, either, so go ahead and call Vaasa -> Jakobstad.
Germanic Languages: 5/13/2016 22:11:05


Angry Koala
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Not a threat at all Imperator, I usually rate maps where I took part in the discussion or maps I tested before they were published that's all, and btw I am free to rate it the way I want fortunately, do not take it bad.
Germanic Languages: 5/14/2016 04:18:25


Imperator
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Thanks :)
Germanic Languages: 5/14/2016 08:14:30


Qwerty282
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EDIT: Ignore this post. I left this page to do something else, came back, and didn't notice I hadn't read half the thread. Oops.

Edited 5/14/2016 08:18:55
Germanic Languages: 5/14/2016 23:32:59


Жұқтыру
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When'll this be published?

Also, still think you should make boni by tongue, but your pick.

Edited 5/14/2016 23:33:29
Germanic Languages: 5/15/2016 00:09:38


Imperator
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I'm currently testing it, it should be maybe a few more days.
Germanic Languages: 5/16/2016 06:41:55


chuck norris
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also, liverpool should probably be renamed as liverpool is definitely not in wales
Germanic Languages: 5/17/2016 20:35:15


Imperator
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Map is pending public, let's see what happens :)
Germanic Languages: 5/18/2016 01:38:56


AjaxAmsterdam
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u shuld doo a map of wher waco is spokan mmmmmmmmmmm dat wuld be gud

Edited 5/18/2016 01:39:08
Germanic Languages: 5/18/2016 02:26:35


Dutch Desire 
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for splitting the netherlands in 'north-west, east and south', like it is splitst now, i would call them:
Amderdam > Holland-Friesland
Arnem > Gelre-Sticht Utrecht
Utrecht > Below the great rivers

and make current Arnem a bigger and current Utrecht smaller till the limit, to have more equal sided territory and represent the naming even more.
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